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Post by sandypine on Dec 23, 2022 16:40:41 GMT
It seems unlikely that a relatively small contingent of Greens has been able to force the whole of the Western world, and its political sympathisers and business combines, to jettison ready income sources to invest in non- and minimal polluting products just to keep on the right side of a aspergic Scandi dwarf and her followers… Which makes one suspect that there are alternative hidden agendas at work. Is 'saving the planet' the main concern or is 'this is a good wheeze to control the populace' also at work. It is clear business is busy manipulating their offsetting and green procedures and using that to present a green face to the world. This is to capture the ethical groups and the do not cares will, well... not care. It has become a game and is creating an artificial market in carbon that means little, is worth little but creates millions. |
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Post by patman post on Dec 24, 2022 15:48:30 GMT
I do not believe in worldwide conspiracies, or even undercover groups of conspiring together or, by accident, in unison on one objective.
It’s more like that many people and organisations have just arrived at similar conclusions about the adverse impact of CO2 and, despite the inconveniences, think it’s worthwhile doing something about reducing it’s production and impact…
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Post by sandypine on Dec 24, 2022 18:32:33 GMT
I do not believe in worldwide conspiracies, or even undercover groups of conspiring together or, by accident, in unison on one objective. It’s more like that many people and organisations have just arrived at similar conclusions about the adverse impact of CO2 and, despite the inconveniences, think it’s worthwhile doing something about reducing it’s production and impact… I would tend to agree with you except for several points. Why are scientists who disagree with the 'emergency' consensus' treated so shabbily and with such disdain? Weather forecasting is at best shaky and often the nowcast is totally at odds with what is happening outside the front door yet this is the science discipline that says that the science is settled on what will happen many years into the future. The models and the predictions made over the last twenty years have been at best erratic in terms of their veracity. Many are promoting the view that the emergency exists yet are the same people whose carbon footprint is enormous. Many in the political and moneyed circles are openly saying that the Great reset is happening and Klaus Schwab has openly boasted that the WEF has infiltrated many Western Governments. This in itself would not be an issue but he is always beside socialising, discussing and God knows what else with most representatives of those governments and the Great Reset initiative is on the record. I am afraid these are the bare facts and they indicate a worrying problem. The point is 'they' want you to take on board the martyrdom that they have no intention of adopting for themselves. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2023 7:52:21 GMT
Good article from Giles Coren in the Times..  Why I’ve pulled the plug on my electric car
As I watch my family strike out on foot across the fields into driving rain and gathering darkness, my wife holding each child’s hand, our new year plans in ruins, while I do what I can to make our dead car safe before abandoning it a mile short of home, full of luggage on a country lane, it occurs to me not for the first time that if we are going to save the planet we will have to find another way. Because electric cars are not the answer.
I can’t even roll it to a safer spot because it can’t be put in neutral. For when an electric car dies, it dies hard. And then lies there as big and grey and not-going-anywhere as the poacher-slain bull elephant I once saw rotting by a roadside in northern Kenya. Just a bit less smelly.
Two out of three roadside chargers are broken or busy at any one time
Not that this is unusual.
Since I bought my eco dream car in late 2020, in a deluded Thunbergian frenzy, it has spent more time off the road than on it, beached at the dealership for months at a time on account of innumerable electrical calamities, while I galumph around in the big diesel “courtesy cars” they send me under the terms of the warranty.
But this time I don’t want one. And I don’t want my own car back either.
I have asked the guys who sold it to me to sell it again, as soon as it is fixed, to the first mug who walks into the shop. Because I am going back to petrol while there is still time.
And if the government really does ban new wet fuel cars after 2030, then we will eventually have to go back to horses. Because the electric vehicle industry is no readier to get a family home from Cornwall at Christmas time (as I was trying to do) than it is to fly us all to Jupiter. The cars are useless, the infrastructure is not there and you’re honestly better off walking.
Even on the really long journeys. In fact, especially on the long journeys. The short ones they can just about manage. It’s no wonder Tesla shares are down 71 per cent. It’s all a huge fraud. And, for me, it’s over.
Yet the new owner of my “preloved” premium electric vehicle, fired with a messianic desire to make a better world for his children, will not know this. He will be delighted with his purchase and overjoyed to find there are still six months of warranty left, little suspecting that once that has expired — and with it the free repairs and replacement cars for those long spells off road — he will be functionally carless.
He will be over the moon to learn that it has “a range of up to 292 miles”. No need to tell him what that really means is “220 miles”. Why electric carmakers are allowed to tell these lies is a mystery to me. As it soon will be to him.
Although for the first few days he won’t worry especially. He’ll think he can just nip into a fuel station and charge it up again. Ho ho ho. No need to tell him that two out of three roadside chargers in this country are broken or busy at any one time. Or that the built-in “find my nearest charge point” function doesn’t work, has never worked, and isn’t meant to work.
Or that apps like Zap-Map don’t work either because the chargers they send you to are always either busy or broken or require a membership card you don’t have or an app you can’t download because there’s no 5G here, in the middle of nowhere, where you will now probably die.
Or that the Society of Motor Manufacturers said this week that only 23 new chargers are being installed nationwide each day, of the 100 per day that were promised (as a proud early adopter, I told myself that charging would become easier as the network grew, but it hasn’t grown, while the number of e-drivers has tripled, so it’s actually harder now than it was two years ago).
There are, of course, plus sides to electric ownership. Such as the camaraderie when we encounter each other, tired and weeping at yet another service station with only two chargers, one of which still has the “this fault has been reported” sign on it from when you were here last August, and the other is of the measly 3kWh variety, which means you will have to spend the night in a Travelodge while your stupid drum lazily inhales enough juice to get home.
Together, in the benighted charging zone, we leccy drivers laugh about what fools we are and drool over the diesel hatchbacks nonchalantly filling up across the way (“imagine getting to a fuel station and knowing for sure you will be able to refuel!”) and talk in the hour-long queue at Exeter services about the petrol car we will buy as soon as we get home.
We filled up there last week on the way back from Cornwall, adding two hours to our four-hour journey, by which time Esther wasn’t speaking to me. She’s been telling me to get rid of the iPace since it ruined last summer’s holidays in both Wales and Devon (“If you won’t let us fly any more, at least buy a car that can get us to the places we’re still allowed to go!”).
But I kept begging her to give me one last chance, as if I’d refused to give up a mistress, rather than a dull family car. Until this time, a couple of miles from home, when a message flashed up on the dash: “Assisted braking not available — proceed with caution.” Then: “Steering control unavailable.”
And then, as I inched off the dual carriageway at our turnoff, begging it to make the last mile, children weeping at the scary noises coming from both car and father: “Gearbox fault detected.” CLUNK. WHIRRR. CRACK.
And dead. Nothing.
Poached elephant.
I called Jaguar Assist (there is a button in the roof that does it directly — most useful feature on the car) who told me they could have a mechanic there in four hours (who would laugh and say, “Can’t help you, pal. You’ve got a software issue there. I’m just a car mechanic. And this isn’t a car, it’s a laptop on wheels.”)
So Esther and the kids headed for home across the sleety wastes, a vision of post-apocalyptic misery like something out of Cormac McCarthy, while I saw out 2022 waiting for a tow-truck. Again.
But don’t let that put you off.
I see in the paper that electric car sales are at record levels and production is struggling to keep up with demand. So why not buy mine? It’s clean as a whistle and boasts super-low mileage. After all, it’s hardly been driven . . . |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 17, 2023 9:09:20 GMT
Good article from Giles Coren in the Times.. Why I’ve pulled the plug on my electric car
As I watch my family strike out on foot across the fields into driving rain and gathering darkness, my wife holding each child’s hand, our new year plans in ruins, while I do what I can to make our dead car safe before abandoning it a mile short of home, full of luggage on a country lane, it occurs to me not for the first time that if we are going to save the planet we will have to find another way. Because electric cars are not the answer.
I can’t even roll it to a safer spot because it can’t be put in neutral. For when an electric car dies, it dies hard. And then lies there as big and grey and not-going-anywhere as the poacher-slain bull elephant I once saw rotting by a roadside in northern Kenya. Just a bit less smelly.
Two out of three roadside chargers are broken or busy at any one time
Not that this is unusual.
Since I bought my eco dream car in late 2020, in a deluded Thunbergian frenzy, it has spent more time off the road than on it, beached at the dealership for months at a time on account of innumerable electrical calamities, while I galumph around in the big diesel “courtesy cars” they send me under the terms of the warranty.
But this time I don’t want one. And I don’t want my own car back either.
I have asked the guys who sold it to me to sell it again, as soon as it is fixed, to the first mug who walks into the shop. Because I am going back to petrol while there is still time.
And if the government really does ban new wet fuel cars after 2030, then we will eventually have to go back to horses. Because the electric vehicle industry is no readier to get a family home from Cornwall at Christmas time (as I was trying to do) than it is to fly us all to Jupiter. The cars are useless, the infrastructure is not there and you’re honestly better off walking.
Even on the really long journeys. In fact, especially on the long journeys. The short ones they can just about manage. It’s no wonder Tesla shares are down 71 per cent. It’s all a huge fraud. And, for me, it’s over.
Yet the new owner of my “preloved” premium electric vehicle, fired with a messianic desire to make a better world for his children, will not know this. He will be delighted with his purchase and overjoyed to find there are still six months of warranty left, little suspecting that once that has expired — and with it the free repairs and replacement cars for those long spells off road — he will be functionally carless.
He will be over the moon to learn that it has “a range of up to 292 miles”. No need to tell him what that really means is “220 miles”. Why electric carmakers are allowed to tell these lies is a mystery to me. As it soon will be to him.
Although for the first few days he won’t worry especially. He’ll think he can just nip into a fuel station and charge it up again. Ho ho ho. No need to tell him that two out of three roadside chargers in this country are broken or busy at any one time. Or that the built-in “find my nearest charge point” function doesn’t work, has never worked, and isn’t meant to work.
Or that apps like Zap-Map don’t work either because the chargers they send you to are always either busy or broken or require a membership card you don’t have or an app you can’t download because there’s no 5G here, in the middle of nowhere, where you will now probably die.
Or that the Society of Motor Manufacturers said this week that only 23 new chargers are being installed nationwide each day, of the 100 per day that were promised (as a proud early adopter, I told myself that charging would become easier as the network grew, but it hasn’t grown, while the number of e-drivers has tripled, so it’s actually harder now than it was two years ago).
There are, of course, plus sides to electric ownership. Such as the camaraderie when we encounter each other, tired and weeping at yet another service station with only two chargers, one of which still has the “this fault has been reported” sign on it from when you were here last August, and the other is of the measly 3kWh variety, which means you will have to spend the night in a Travelodge while your stupid drum lazily inhales enough juice to get home.
Together, in the benighted charging zone, we leccy drivers laugh about what fools we are and drool over the diesel hatchbacks nonchalantly filling up across the way (“imagine getting to a fuel station and knowing for sure you will be able to refuel!”) and talk in the hour-long queue at Exeter services about the petrol car we will buy as soon as we get home.
We filled up there last week on the way back from Cornwall, adding two hours to our four-hour journey, by which time Esther wasn’t speaking to me. She’s been telling me to get rid of the iPace since it ruined last summer’s holidays in both Wales and Devon (“If you won’t let us fly any more, at least buy a car that can get us to the places we’re still allowed to go!”).
But I kept begging her to give me one last chance, as if I’d refused to give up a mistress, rather than a dull family car. Until this time, a couple of miles from home, when a message flashed up on the dash: “Assisted braking not available — proceed with caution.” Then: “Steering control unavailable.”
And then, as I inched off the dual carriageway at our turnoff, begging it to make the last mile, children weeping at the scary noises coming from both car and father: “Gearbox fault detected.” CLUNK. WHIRRR. CRACK.
And dead. Nothing.
Poached elephant.
I called Jaguar Assist (there is a button in the roof that does it directly — most useful feature on the car) who told me they could have a mechanic there in four hours (who would laugh and say, “Can’t help you, pal. You’ve got a software issue there. I’m just a car mechanic. And this isn’t a car, it’s a laptop on wheels.”)
So Esther and the kids headed for home across the sleety wastes, a vision of post-apocalyptic misery like something out of Cormac McCarthy, while I saw out 2022 waiting for a tow-truck. Again.
But don’t let that put you off.
I see in the paper that electric car sales are at record levels and production is struggling to keep up with demand. So why not buy mine? It’s clean as a whistle and boasts super-low mileage. After all, it’s hardly been driven . . .It's not as if it's news. It's not as if it wasn't forecast on here and many other places. Shambles is the word yet many owners will never admit their magic little car was a failure. No wonder my 14 year old Volvo keeps going up in price.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 15:17:26 GMT
I think the climate emergency is non existent and a hoax. So sue me.
I also think that even if we could control global temperatures, the cost of doing so has to be affordable and proportionate. We shouldn't be making ourselves both poorer in general, or poorer energy wise, expecting our pensioners to sit in their own cold homes because of ridiculous pricing.
So any party wanting net zero is not on my voting list.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2023 18:25:39 GMT
I think the climate emergency is non existent and a hoax. So sue me. I also think that even if we could control global temperatures, the cost of doing so has to be affordable and proportionate. We shouldn't be making ourselves both poorer in general, or poorer energy wise, expecting our pensioners to sit in their own cold homes because of ridiculous pricing. So any party wanting net zero is not on my voting list.Seconded... 👍 |
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Post by wapentake on Jan 17, 2023 18:57:23 GMT
Net Zero for this country?
How would that help our perceived effect on the climate is at most minimal it’s the emerging nations and China,India spewing out what is considered the problem not us
An overpopulated planet and mass movement is the real problem.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 18, 2023 0:29:12 GMT
Net Zero for this country? How would that help our perceived effect on the climate is at most minimal it’s the emerging nations and China,India spewing out what is considered the problem not us An overpopulated planet and mass movement is the real problem. Correct. The greatest threat to mankind is population growth. But there isn't a single politician in the world who is big enough to say it. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 18, 2023 7:37:32 GMT
The thing about battery powered electric cars is that they will NEVER be practical. It all centres on energy density. In 2 minutes you can put enough petrol in a car to drive 300 miles. To do the same with a battery powered car you'd need a copper cable of roughly 25 cms in diameter - and a National Grid that could deliver about 3000kW to the chargers. That's not possible. It'll always take a long time to charge up a BEV and that means that it's very hard for charger providers to make a profit without jacking up the cost of electricity to unviable levels. And it means that there would have to be 10 times the number of chargers than of petrol pumps. That will never happen.
I blame the car magazines and car programs on TV. They all say how brilliant BEVs are but ignore the obvious intractable problems with the technology because most of the journalists are woefully ignorant of science and electricity. You have to be a moron to buy a BEV - except if you're just doing short trips that always allow you to charge up at home.
Hydrogen fuel cell electric car could work though with government backing.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 18, 2023 7:55:11 GMT
The latest plan is for Smart Charging - this is being sold as a way to save money but its real reason is to restrict demand on the grid so that the system decides when you can recharge your EV not you when you need it.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 18, 2023 8:14:49 GMT
Net Zero for this country? How would that help our perceived effect on the climate is at most minimal it’s the emerging nations and China,India spewing out what is considered the problem not us An overpopulated planet and mass movement is the real problem. . But there isn't a single politician in the world who is big enough to say it. And the bloody trash that they make like plastics etc. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 18, 2023 8:16:07 GMT
I think the climate emergency is non existent and a hoax. So sue me. I also think that even if we could control global temperatures, the cost of doing so has to be affordable and proportionate. We shouldn't be making ourselves both poorer in general, or poorer energy wise, expecting our pensioners to sit in their own cold homes because of ridiculous pricing. So any party wanting net zero is not on my voting list. That's the biggest con ever mate..... |
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