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Post by Bentley on Jun 9, 2024 11:29:22 GMT
In the early 90s there was a BBC broadcast that detailed the increasing cost of providing for the elderly and disabled, etc. The program was actually focused on how much carers were saving the country ... but many people responded to it by openly saying: "What's the point of keeping them alive?" Despite the fact that the medical treatments elderly people got at the time were restricted once they reached 70 there was a widespread "concern" that the elderly were becoming a "financial burden". This was summed up by an Evening Standard report that stated: "The country can't afford to support both the elderly and the youth: a choice has to be made". A senior London doctor said:"One only has to think of the word "eugenics" to understand what is going on". Some people were of the opinion that Covid should have been allowed to solve the problem of too many elderly, etc. people draining our countries resources. In a few years time the currently unhealthy middle-aged will need support. Why is the obesity rate in Japan and other countries in that part of the world a small fraction of what it is elsewhere? I think we all know where this is going . Older people will tacitly denied life extending treatment and be encouraged to take the big sleep pill. Society will need to concentrate keeping people fit enough to be productive for longer not keep the unproductive ones alive for longer . |
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Post by see2 on Jun 9, 2024 18:32:30 GMT
Will Starmer carry on where Labour left off last time and bring more privatisation into the NHS? I do recall Blair using the Private sector and French hospitals in order to reduce the massive 12 month waiting list for joint replacement surgery. I don't remember just what NHS work was privatised by Blair, but IIRC the Blair attitude was that the NHS could use the private sector when and if necessary, providing it was reasonably priced. I am against privatising the NHS, my position is that I believe that any privatisation by a centre left government would be limited and beneficial to the NHS, and to everyone else. I trust Labour with the NHS. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 9, 2024 21:35:21 GMT
Will Starmer carry on where Labour left off last time and bring more privatisation into the NHS? I do recall Blair using the Private sector and French hospitals in order to reduce the massive 12 month waiting list for joint replacement surgery. I don't remember just what NHS work was privatised by Blair So operations that the NHS has outsourced to the private sector are not privatising NHS work?..  |
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Post by borchester on Jun 10, 2024 14:29:51 GMT
I am against this mass adoration of the NHS. I don't care if my local quack is earning telephone numbers or walking around with her arse out of her knickers. My ideal is a bunch of competent mechanics who, when I go into my local hospital alive, will so arrange their affairs that I leave the same way.
All this bollocks about private or socialised medicine is just that, a load of bollocks. The real problem is that the NHS is too good. Time was when a man retired, sat in front of the fire for a few months and then keeled over and made room for the next generation. Right now my 82 year old brother, who had a stroke a few months back and as a result had his brain reamed out at Maidstone General, is planning a skiing trip to Italy. So the result is an ever increasing army of cottontops who are enjoying a pleasant decrepitude at at the taxpayers' expense.
I therefore suggest that anyone under 65 stop droning on about reforming the NHS, because it is as good as it will ever get. But if such folk have time on their hands, they crack on and pay the taxes to keep me in my underserved but very agreeable leisure. And anyone over 65 who wants to whinge on about what a bad deal he or she is getting, should consider the alternative
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Post by wassock on Jun 11, 2024 21:25:05 GMT
Will Starmer carry on where Labour left off last time and bring more privatisation into the NHS? I do recall Blair using the Private sector and French hospitals in order to reduce the massive 12 month waiting list for joint replacement surgery. I don't remember just what NHS work was privatised by Blair, but IIRC the Blair attitude was that the NHS could use the private sector when and if necessary, providing it was reasonably priced. I am against privatising the NHS, my position is that I believe that any privatisation by a centre left government would be limited and beneficial to the NHS, and to everyone else. I trust Labour with the NHS. Various hospitals and schools were demolished (fully owned by the NHS and education system, respectively), and new ones built by private money, for example pension companies. So both the NHS and education system rent the buildings, and it's millions per year. So when you read headlines about inadequate NHS and school funding, difficulties etc.. it's because a chunk now goes on rent. But if you speak to a Labourite, it's Thatchers fault!! |
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