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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Jun 7, 2024 21:58:48 GMT
Starmer claims that if his children (who are under 18) needed surgery, but there was a waiting list, he would not pay for them to be treated privately. If a relative offered to pay for private treatment, and his children were in favour of it, could Starmer legally refuse to allow it? The private treatment could be done in an NHS hospital and be identical to the treatment provided for free on the NHS ... it would just be done sooner (and maybe with a private room rather than being on a ward?).
An acquaintance of mine spent a night in hospital. In the morning, just before he was due to be discharged, his mother turned up ... and told the Consultant that his late father was a diplomat who had been an Ambassador. This impressed the Consultant ... who organised a battery of medical tests over the next few weeks ... that most patients would not normally get ... all for free on the NHS.
I was waiting in an A & E. Next to me was Jonathan Miller. His wife was with him ... she whispered: "Shall I tell them who you are?" He said not to ... but she, saying she needed to use the toilet, collared a nurse and pointed him out. As he, reluctantly, responded to his name being called he turned to me, gave a shrug, and said: "What can I do? Sorry about this."
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 8, 2024 6:38:49 GMT
It's just more bullshit from Starmer - as guy who is in the richest 1% of the population is not going to allow close relatives to die simply to burnish his credentials with the NHS religious cultists.
He would be off to BUPA before breakfast..
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Post by piglet on Jun 8, 2024 8:28:48 GMT
A friends child has an ear infection and has grommits whatever they are and is on anti biotics which dont work, the GP wont refer on, there are endless cases like this. Rationing is at the primary stage, the NHS is broken, you need to be on deaths door before you get help.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 8, 2024 8:52:01 GMT
Can you imagine toffee-nosed Starmer sitting among the peasants in a NHS hospital, there's more likelihood of seeing the King there.
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 9:04:46 GMT
Starmer claims that if his children (who are under 18) needed surgery, but there was a waiting list, he would not pay for them to be treated privately. If a relative offered to pay for private treatment, and his children were in favour of it, could Starmer legally refuse to allow it? The private treatment could be done in an NHS hospital and be identical to the treatment provided for free on the NHS ... it would just be done sooner (and maybe with a private room rather than being on a ward?). An acquaintance of mine spent a night in hospital. In the morning, just before he was due to be discharged, his mother turned up ... and told the Consultant that his late father was a diplomat who had been an Ambassador. This impressed the Consultant ... who organised a battery of medical tests over the next few weeks ... that most patients would not normally get ... all for free on the NHS. I was waiting in an A & E. Next to me was Jonathan Miller. His wife was with him ... she whispered: "Shall I tell them who you are?" He said not to ... but she, saying she needed to use the toilet, collared a nurse and pointed him out. As he, reluctantly, responded to his name being called he turned to me, gave a shrug, and said: "What can I do? Sorry about this." The massive increase in the number of people waiting for treatment on the NHS, that has built up under this Prime Minister has seriously damaged the NHS. I have been extremely fortunate in that at age 85, and due mostly to my DNA, I have hardly used the NHS apart from a short 5mimute operation to remove a small polyp from my left ear back in the late 1950s. But right now because of a dietary problem and a need for some professional advice, I find the Surgery have a system which one has to register in, within which one can make an appointment with a Doctor. It took me nearly two weeks to get registered, and finally get an appointment to see a doctor, in THREE WEEKS TIME. Oh, and the NHS isn't free. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 8, 2024 9:12:14 GMT
Starmer claims that if his children (who are under 18) needed surgery, but there was a waiting list, he would not pay for them to be treated privately. If a relative offered to pay for private treatment, and his children were in favour of it, could Starmer legally refuse to allow it? The private treatment could be done in an NHS hospital and be identical to the treatment provided for free on the NHS ... it would just be done sooner (and maybe with a private room rather than being on a ward?). An acquaintance of mine spent a night in hospital. In the morning, just before he was due to be discharged, his mother turned up ... and told the Consultant that his late father was a diplomat who had been an Ambassador. This impressed the Consultant ... who organised a battery of medical tests over the next few weeks ... that most patients would not normally get ... all for free on the NHS. I was waiting in an A & E. Next to me was Jonathan Miller. His wife was with him ... she whispered: "Shall I tell them who you are?" He said not to ... but she, saying she needed to use the toilet, collared a nurse and pointed him out. As he, reluctantly, responded to his name being called he turned to me, gave a shrug, and said: "What can I do? Sorry about this." The massive increase in the number of people waiting for treatment on the NHS, that has built up under this Prime Minister has seriously damaged the NHS. I have been extremely fortunate in that at age 85, and due mostly to my DNA, I have hardly used the NHS apart from a short 5mimute operation to remove a small polyp from my left ear back in the late 1950s. But right now because of a dietary problem and a need for some professional advice, I find the Surgery have a system which one has to register in, within which one can make an appointment with a Doctor. It took me nearly two weeks to get registered, and finally get an appointment to see a doctor, in THREE WEEKS TIME. Oh, and the NHS isn't free. The lefty Union junior doctors strike has caused a massive backlog in the NHS waiting lists, you know fully well the junior doctors are playing politics with the lefty Unions spearheading the strikes.
The only people to blame for the NHS backlogs are Labour lefties and the Unions who bring down everything that UK people rely on, including railways, airports, Labour lefties are hellbent on making peoples lives a misery, because just like you lefties are miserable moaning, whinging, whinging, entitled double standard hypocrites.
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 9:38:32 GMT
The massive increase in the number of people waiting for treatment on the NHS, that has built up under this Prime Minister has seriously damaged the NHS. I have been extremely fortunate in that at age 85, and due mostly to my DNA, I have hardly used the NHS apart from a short 5mimute operation to remove a small polyp from my left ear back in the late 1950s. But right now because of a dietary problem and a need for some professional advice, I find the Surgery have a system which one has to register in, within which one can make an appointment with a Doctor. It took me nearly two weeks to get registered, and finally get an appointment to see a doctor, in THREE WEEKS TIME. Oh, and the NHS isn't free. The lefty Union junior doctors strike has caused a massive backlog in the NHS waiting lists, you know fully well the junior doctors are playing politics with the lefty Unions spearheading the strikes.
The only people to blame for the NHS backlogs are Labour lefties and the Unions who bring down everything that UK people rely on, including railways, airports, Labour lefties are hellbent on making peoples lives a misery, because just like you lefties are miserable moaning, whinging, whinging, entitled double standard hypocrites.
You have no way of proving that piece of Tory dishonesty as a fact. Have a look at the big black economic hole in the NHS after 18 Years under the Tories that New Labour inherited in 1997, it is Tory history now repeating itself. Deceiving yourself the way you do could increase the continuation of Tories failing the British people, as they have done for 70% of the time since 1951. If you really want to look at why the UK never quite makes it, look no further than the length of time the Tories have dominated Parliament. since 1951. It is the proof that Conservative policies do not work. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 8, 2024 9:44:53 GMT
The lefty Union junior doctors strike has caused a massive backlog in the NHS waiting lists, you know fully well the junior doctors are playing politics with the lefty Unions spearheading the strikes.
The only people to blame for the NHS backlogs are Labour lefties and the Unions who bring down everything that UK people rely on, including railways, airports, Labour lefties are hellbent on making peoples lives a misery, because just like you lefties are miserable moaning, whinging, whinging, entitled double standard hypocrites.
You have no way of proving that piece of Tory dishonesty as a fact. Have a look at the big black economic hole in the NHS after 18 Years under the Tories that New Labour inherited in 1997, it is Tory history now repeating itself. Deceiving yourself the way you do could increase the continuation of Tories failing the British people, as they have done for 70% of the time since 1951. If you really want to look at why the UK never quite makes it, look no further than the length of time the Tories have dominated Parliament. since 1951. It is the proof that Conservative policies do not work. No, you stop your lying the NHS has never had so much money spent on it ....... FACT
The lefties running the NHS are guilty of gross mismanagement of tax payers money, they destroy everything they run ....... including Labour run councils, they are hellbent on wasting tax payers money, and that's why the NHS is a bottomless pit and dysfunctional.
How much will the Government spend on the NHS 2023?
Planned NHS England RDEL in cash terms is £163bn in 2023/24 (£165bn in real terms), up £2.1bn from planned funding in the Autumn Statement. The planned budget for 2024/25 is £164.9bn. This makes NHS RDEL essentially flat year-on-year in real terms (a small increase of 0.2%).
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 8, 2024 21:05:20 GMT
 The NHS is in the top three issues as far as the electorate are concerned. It is an issue on which the Conservatives cannot win, because they do not have a leg to stand on in either an argument over the NHS or in any comparison to the NHS under the last Labour government with the Tories today. The usual excuse from the Tory apologists is that "we have had a pandemic", which is fair enough - to a degree, but the deterioration of the NHS began long before anyone had ever heard of Covid. I accept that some people are unsure about Keir Starmer for different reasons, but for many, including many former Tory voters, they look at the NHS now, and say to themselves "it cannot be any worse than this", and so they are going to at least LOAN their vote to Labour. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 8, 2024 21:07:47 GMT
View AttachmentThe NHS is in the top three issues as far as the electorate are concerned. It is an issue on which the Conservatives cannot win, because they do not have a leg to stand on in either an argument over the NHS or in any comparison to the NHS under the last Labour government with the Tories today. The usual excuse from the Tory apologists is that "we have had a pandemic", which is fair enough - to a degree, but the deterioration of the NHS began long before anyone had ever heard of Covid. I accept that some people are unsure about Keir Starmer for different reasons, but for many, including many former Tory voters, they look at the NHS now, and say to themselves "it cannot be any worse than this", and so they are going to at least LOAN their vote to Labour. Fair comment . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 8, 2024 21:08:33 GMT
View AttachmentThe NHS is in the top three issues as far as the electorate are concerned. It is an issue on which the Conservatives cannot win, because they do not have a leg to stand on in either an argument over the NHS or in any comparison to the NHS under the last Labour government with the Tories today. The usual excuse from the Tory apologists is that "we have had a pandemic", which is fair enough - to a degree, but the deterioration of the NHS began long before anyone had ever heard of Covid. I accept that some people are unsure about Keir Starmer for different reasons, but for many, including many former Tory voters, they look at the NHS now, and say to themselves "it cannot be any worse than this", and so they are going to at least LOAN their vote to Labour. Don't be daft, fiddles. |
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Post by borchester on Jun 9, 2024 6:24:49 GMT
Can you imagine toffee-nosed Starmer sitting among the peasants in a NHS hospital, there's more likelihood of seeing the King there. If Starmer sat in line at a NHS hospital you would sneer and say that it was a publicity stunt.
And if my children were sick, not only would I have elbowed my dear old mother to one side as I forced my way to the head of the queue, she would have cheered me on.
That is what real parents and grandparents do
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Post by see2 on Jun 9, 2024 7:37:06 GMT
You have no way of proving that piece of Tory dishonesty as a fact. Have a look at the big black economic hole in the NHS after 18 Years under the Tories that New Labour inherited in 1997, it is Tory history now repeating itself. Deceiving yourself the way you do could increase the continuation of Tories failing the British people, as they have done for 70% of the time since 1951. If you really want to look at why the UK never quite makes it, look no further than the length of time the Tories have dominated Parliament. since 1951. It is the proof that Conservative policies do not work. No, you stop your lying the NHS has never had so much money spent on it ....... FACT
The lefties running the NHS are guilty of gross mismanagement of tax payers money, they destroy everything they run ....... including Labour run councils, they are hellbent on wasting tax payers money, and that's why the NHS is a bottomless pit and dysfunctional.
How much will the Government spend on the NHS 2023?
Planned NHS England RDEL in cash terms is £163bn in 2023/24 (£165bn in real terms), up £2.1bn from planned funding in the Autumn Statement. The planned budget for 2024/25 is £164.9bn. This makes NHS RDEL essentially flat year-on-year in real terms (a small increase of 0.2%).
I never claimed otherwise, so YOU stop lying about me. Extra spending is needed in the 2023/24 years after years of cuts in spending on the NHS, as we approach the next election. The annual increases in NHS funding that usually runs at 7% per annum was slashed to around 3% per annum by the Tories ..... Fact. That is where the problem lays. The NHS is expensive so just quoting big Figures proves nothing Righties are so dishonest that they always blame Labour for the countries problems, yet the Tories have dominated Parliament for 70% of the last 70 odd years. The state of the NHS always declines under a Conservative government, see the 18years under the previous Tory government and the 11 years under Thatcher in particular. See whitchfinder's graph, this page 10 hours ago. |
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Post by wassock on Jun 9, 2024 10:18:32 GMT
Will Starmer carry on where Labour left off last time and bring more privatisation into the NHS?
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Jun 9, 2024 10:34:00 GMT
In the early 90s there was a BBC broadcast that detailed the increasing cost of providing for the elderly and disabled, etc. The program was actually focused on how much carers were saving the country ... but many people responded to it by openly saying: "What's the point of keeping them alive?" Despite the fact that the medical treatments elderly people got at the time were restricted once they reached 70 there was a widespread "concern" that the elderly were becoming a "financial burden". This was summed up by an Evening Standard report that stated: "The country can't afford to support both the elderly and the youth: a choice has to be made". A senior London doctor said:"One only has to think of the word "eugenics" to understand what is going on".
Some people were of the opinion that Covid should have been allowed to solve the problem of too many elderly, etc. people draining our countries resources.
In a few years time the currently unhealthy middle-aged will need support.
Why is the obesity rate in Japan and other countries in that part of the world a small fraction of what it is elsewhere?
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