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Post by Vinny on Jun 3, 2024 14:54:22 GMT
He may stand after all.
Lets see what he has to say.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 3, 2024 15:35:03 GMT
Farage is not only standing as a Reform UK candidate, he has taken over as party leader from Richard Tice. This is a massive boost for Reform UK, and it's not just bad news for Sunak, it's bad news for Starmer because Labour has lost the Muslim vote, and Starmer knows very well that millions of red wall voters are sick to death of immigration. Reform obviously wont win, but they may provide a very effective opposition.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 3, 2024 16:23:33 GMT
Ref Farage standing as a Reform candidate: Downing street have just issued a statement [Read out on GB News] and it's very scathing of Farage, and Reform UK. The spin doctors and spads in number 10 are clearly not happy about Farage standing, but as I said above, it's not great news for Starmer either. As Farage said, millions of people who voted UKIP were Labour voters who were sick of immigration, and on that front nothing has changed.
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Post by LL on Jun 3, 2024 16:29:51 GMT
I’m quite happy with this news, hopefully the tories get annihilated on a scale never before seen. 🥳
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 3, 2024 17:10:04 GMT
Great news , lets hope the people of Clacton give him their support . Will also boost the overall vote for Reform though whether its enough to win any seats is another matter .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2024 17:30:10 GMT
This makes a huge difference as I wasn't really happy with Tice as leader. If Farage is in charge I have a party to vote for, other than the MRLP of course.  |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 4, 2024 0:43:43 GMT
Well, who would trust him, really?
In the last two weeks he has flip-flopped more times that Kier Starmer does in half a year.
First he was.
Then he wasn't.
Then he was.
But the lection announcement caught him off guard (yeah shrewd politico he is, not).
So then he wasn't.
Then he realised that in the US he would ALWAYS play second billing to Trump, but over here he may have a day or two as top billing.
So then he was.
I wholly agreed with Farage's stance on the EU.
But right now, I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only candidate on the ballot, and voting was compulsory.
Reform have barely got a single coherent policy.
And all this has turned into is a massive ego-stroke for arguably the biggest egotist in UK political history.
He is not fit to be an MP.
Reform is not fit to hold office.
The only possible upside (depending on your political persuasion) to him standing is that a Labour victory is now all but guaranteed.
Farage will split the Tory vote, but not by enough to put Reform into power; making Labour the only viable government in our broken FPTP system.
All The Best
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 4, 2024 5:28:43 GMT
Farage is not only standing as a Reform UK candidate, he has taken over as party leader from Richard Tice. This is a massive boost for Reform UK, and it's not just bad news for Sunak, it's bad news for Starmer because Labour has lost the Muslim vote, and Starmer knows very well that millions of red wall voters are sick to death of immigration. Reform obviously wont win, but they may provide a very effective opposition. I bet Tice is well pissed off. It shows to me the degree to which Reform or The Brexit Party as it was formerly known is actually Farage's personal fiefdom I presume you are aware of the party structure ? The party is a dictatorship run by him. In stark contrast to any other, the party is a shell company registered at Companies House - originally I was informed, wrongly, it was a company limited by guarantee to avoid share issues but no, it is a company limited by shares. In electoral law every party's candidates are required to be approved by the party national nominating officer. I did not look up who Reform's is, but whoever it is, they and the board are the sole administrators of party funds and the sole controllers of party candidates. Reform do not have party members like other parties, they have party 'supporters' who Farage and the board milk for funds like any other party, but give no part in the party operation to in return This is of course quite different from how he ran UKIP, and deliberately so given the bloody nutter if theirs who stood against me in 2010, and the ex-BNP man who he supported the candidacy for, and appeared (on Clacton Pier ??) with in 2015 (??) and then had to stark backtracking and fudging that whoever it was had been accepted into the party as a member years before they changed the rules, so was validly a member and a candidate, before dumping the guy a month later.... There's nothing illegal in this of course, and no scope for the sort of corruption seen in the Tories over Mohammed Asghar and Labour with Vaughan Gethin, but it remains an unusual arrangement with Farage the sole man in charge |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 4, 2024 5:50:46 GMT
then he realised that in the US he would ALWAYS play second billing to Trump Ah now you've made me wonder about something. Over here it got as far as the thatcher era before laws were invented to prevent the likes of Bobby Sands becoming MP's Will they build a jail in the White House for him or will Trump run the country from a state penitentiary ? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 4, 2024 6:28:26 GMT
I still think that Reform should have a limited agreement to cooperate with the Tories. I think that Reform should not stand in seats that have a genuine conservative candidate (and there are a few like JRM for example) in return for the Tories not standing in seats that Reform want. This would be good for both parties. But Farage is against it.
Still, never mind. This has put a rocket up the election campaign. I like Tice but Farage is a better campaigner and a better debater. I look forward to Reforms vote share moving over 15% in the near future.
I'd like to know what Tice thinks of all this. I notice that Farage said they got on "quite well" which is not very convincing. I suspect the truth is that they're both a bit pissed off with each other.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 4, 2024 9:02:10 GMT
I still think that Reform should have a limited agreement to cooperate with the Tories. I think that Reform should not stand in seats that have a genuine conservative candidate (and there are a few like JRM for example) in return for the Tories not standing in seats that Reform want. This would be good for both parties. But Farage is against it. Still, never mind. This has put a rocket up the election campaign. I like Tice but Farage is a better campaigner and a better debater. I look forward to Reforms vote share moving over 15% in the near future. I'd like to know what Tice thinks of all this. I notice that Farage said they got on "quite well" which is not very convincing. I suspect the truth is that they're both a bit pissed off with each other. A party where the two at the top get on famously is a rarity. Tice knows he has not got the campaigning nous or charisma of Farage so sensibly steps aside. Farage and the Brexit party were bitten by the Tories so it would be foolish to trust them a second time round in any size shape or form and even worse it would be foolish of the electorate to trust the Tories for the umpteenth time around. If we consider just one manifesto policy; tens of thousands, then we can see how foolish that trust would be. In order to limit immigration a whole raft of policies have to be in place to emphasise training and experience of British Citizens for the jobs required, that will not be cheap and the Tories tried to do it without the back up policies required. Education is indeed the watchword but that has in general terms to be directed in the areas needed. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 4, 2024 18:11:49 GMT
I still think that Reform should have a limited agreement to cooperate with the Tories. I think that Reform should not stand in seats that have a genuine conservative candidate (and there are a few like JRM for example) in return for the Tories not standing in seats that Reform want. This would be good for both parties. But Farage is against it. Still, never mind. This has put a rocket up the election campaign. I like Tice but Farage is a better campaigner and a better debater. I look forward to Reforms vote share moving over 15% in the near future. I'd like to know what Tice thinks of all this. I notice that Farage said they got on "quite well" which is not very convincing. I suspect the truth is that they're both a bit pissed off with each other. Surely the ONLY valid arbiter of that is the Conservative Party itself. The if the electorate disagree they are free to vote for someone else; that is after all how a Representative Democracy is supposed to work. All The Best |
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