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Post by wapentake on May 30, 2024 20:44:28 GMT
Of the commons is increasing daily,whether you regard them as rats leaving a sinking ship or principled people I'll leave you to decide,it is my opinion though that this indicates that the major parties are all occupying the centre ground so it makes the process of doing that easier.
Isn't the country crying out for having a choice and a real choice at that of political parties being well defined in their attitudes and policy instead of where we are all squabbling over the same ground.
I’m not saying I want to see extreme left or right far from it but well defined political lines,we might not get the party in power we’d like but at least we’d get to have a valid choice.
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Post by Pacifico on May 30, 2024 21:31:44 GMT
It's instructive the amount of one-nation Tories who feel perfectly at home in the Labour Party..
.explains the current situation we are in.
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Post by johnofgwent on May 31, 2024 0:56:57 GMT
Political PARTIES are the reason we are in the shit we are in
The original concept of a sovereign parliament was that those with a stake in the country held a vote to send one from among themselves to the palace of Westminster, there to govern, or LOYALLY opposed government, in the name of the sovereign, and it was the duty of the sovereign to send, from amongst THEIR circle of trusted advisers, one to go as their majesty's prime minister to that palace and try to form, from the members elected, a government to govern in the name of the sovereign
That's how it worked, and the other thing was that it was the duty of an elected member to choose, using their own best judgement, whether to govern or loyally oppose government in the name of their majesty according to their own judgement and conscience in what THEY considered the best interests of those who elected them
That was the basis of a small pamphlet handed to me by the Sergeant At Arms in St Stephens Entrance when at the age of 17 Ian Grist MP had tours of Parliament laid on for soon to be voters in his constituency.
Once you understand it is still that basis on which members are accepted into the chamber and gain the right to speak and vote the actions should become clear
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 7:27:57 GMT
It's instructive the amount of one-nation Tories who feel perfectly at home in the Labour Party.. .explains the current situation we are in. That they are more at home in the Labour party than the Tory party says a lot about the state of both. |
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Post by Handyman on May 31, 2024 7:53:11 GMT
Roughly 200 MP's have crossed the floor since the late 70's for one reason or another IMHO if they do that a byelection should take place to ask their Constituents to see if they approve or not, but as I understand it that does not happen.
As a GE is only weeks away those who have crossed the floor will find out what their constituents think
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 31, 2024 8:06:18 GMT
Of the commons is increasing daily,whether you regard them as rats leaving a sinking ship or principled people I'll leave you to decide,it is my opinion though that this indicates that the major parties are all occupying the centre ground so it makes the process of doing that easier. Yep, I think it's clear that the big two are all but interchangeable: Two colours but both the same flavour. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 9:18:50 GMT
Roughly 200 MP's have crossed the floor since the late 70's for one reason or another IMHO if they do that a byelection should take place to ask their Constituents to see if they approve or not, but as I understand it that does not happen. As a GE is only weeks away those who have crossed the floor will find out if their constituents think Some of them are standing down anyway. |
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Post by witchfinder on May 31, 2024 9:31:37 GMT
When would an MP be able to justify crossing the floor ?
If his or her party reneged on KEY policy pledges or KEY manifesto promises, of which the MP believed was important to his or her constituents.
In January 2023, Rishi Sunak made 5 PLedges to the British electorate
Half inflation
DONE - But not by him or the government
Stop the boats
FAILED
Grow the economy
FAILED
Cut NHS waiting lists and times
FAILED
Reduce debt
FAILED
Is there any more to say ?
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Post by Handyman on May 31, 2024 10:43:12 GMT
Roughly 200 MP's have crossed the floor since the late 70's for one reason or another IMHO if they do that a byelection should take place to ask their Constituents to see if they approve or not, but as I understand it that does not happen. As a GE is only weeks away those who have crossed the floor will find out if their constituents think Some of them are standing down anyway. Yes due to age health or family reasons as in any occupation |
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Post by Pacifico on May 31, 2024 10:52:48 GMT
When would an MP be able to justify crossing the floor ? If his or her party reneged on KEY policy pledges or KEY manifesto promises, of which the MP believed was important to his or her constituents. In January 2023, Rishi Sunak made 5 PLedges to the British electorate Half inflation DONE - But not by him or the government Stop the boats FAILED Grow the economy FAILED Cut NHS waiting lists and times FAILED Reduce debt FAILED Is there any more to say ? They were not manifesto promises - they were ideas plucked out of the air by an unelected Leader. |
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Post by Dogburger on May 31, 2024 11:21:42 GMT
Political PARTIES are the reason we are in the shit we are in The original concept of a sovereign parliament was that those with a stake in the country held a vote to send one from among themselves to the palace of Westminster, there to govern, or LOYALLY opposed government, in the name of the sovereign, and it was the duty of the sovereign to send, from amongst THEIR circle of trusted advisers, one to go as their majesty's prime minister to that palace and try to form, from the members elected, a government to govern in the name of the sovereign That's how it worked, and the other thing was that it was the duty of an elected member to choose, using their own best judgement, whether to govern or loyally oppose government in the name of their majesty according to their own judgement and conscience in what THEY considered the best interests of those who elected them That was the basis of a small pamphlet handed to me by the Sergeant At Arms in St Stephens Entrance when at the age of 17 Ian Grist MP had tours of Parliament laid on for soon to be voters in his constituency. Once you understand it is still that basis on which members are accepted into the chamber and gain the right to speak and vote the actions should become clear Seeing as there is little between the parties anyway now would be as good a time as any to do away with them . I'd like to see it , people would then be faced with electing their MP on the qualities of the person before them instead of voting for a rosette . That would surely increase the quality of the HoC (it couldn't be any lower) |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 31, 2024 11:52:07 GMT
Political PARTIES are the reason we are in the shit we are in The original concept of a sovereign parliament was that those with a stake in the country held a vote to send one from among themselves to the palace of Westminster, there to govern, or LOYALLY opposed government, in the name of the sovereign, and it was the duty of the sovereign to send, from amongst THEIR circle of trusted advisers, one to go as their majesty's prime minister to that palace and try to form, from the members elected, a government to govern in the name of the sovereign That's how it worked, and the other thing was that it was the duty of an elected member to choose, using their own best judgement, whether to govern or loyally oppose government in the name of their majesty according to their own judgement and conscience in what THEY considered the best interests of those who elected them That was the basis of a small pamphlet handed to me by the Sergeant At Arms in St Stephens Entrance when at the age of 17 Ian Grist MP had tours of Parliament laid on for soon to be voters in his constituency. Once you understand it is still that basis on which members are accepted into the chamber and gain the right to speak and vote the actions should become clear Seeing as there is little between the parties anyway now would be as good a time as any to do away with them . I'd like to see it , people would then be faced with electing their MP on the qualities of the person before them instead of voting for a rosette . That would surely increase the quality of the HoC (it couldn't be any lower) I think it might bring some to actually talk to constituents My MP in my former home was a labour guy known for his rebellious nature. When faced with a thorny question shortly after being elected he went to the local paper, announced his being unsure of which way to vote and asked for constituents who had been impacted by the status quo to write to him I did. I explained why current law was bad and what needed to change and why He wrote back saying he was going to look further into this for himself and he did, not by asking political aides and fellow MP's paid advisors, but by asking those directly in the field In the end he voted against his party line and wrote an article saying why, and who he had asked for advice. He was a labour MP but I actually shed a tear at hearing of his passing, for I knew whoever took over would never be as keen as he to actually understand the issue. And I was right his replacement is a total yes woman |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 2, 2024 21:16:21 GMT
And another ex-Minister supports the Labour Party.
Were there any actual conservatives in Government in the last 14 years? - or were they all these One Nation wannabe Blairites?
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Post by wapentake on Jul 2, 2024 21:25:07 GMT
And another ex-Minister supports the Labour Party. Were there any actual conservatives in Government in the last 14 years? - or were they all these One Nation wannabe Blairites? Anna sourpuss who as she said in that grauniad piece supported the referendum but only because she thought they’d win and that tells you all you need to know about people like her and their idea of what democracy consists of. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 3, 2024 11:23:35 GMT
And another ex-Minister supports the Labour Party. Were there any actual conservatives in Government in the last 14 years? - or were they all these One Nation wannabe Blairites? You only have to look at the little worm Rory Stewart to know the answer to that question - many would have been better placed in the Limps but had more chance of a seat with the Conservatives so became good actors while it suited |
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