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Post by witchfinder on May 30, 2024 10:21:39 GMT
The Markets say that Liz Truss did crash the economy, as does definitive history
( quote ) "Kwarteng refused to allow the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) to assess the economic impact of the mini budget prior to its announcement"
( quote ) "Following the mini-budget announcement, the markets reacted badly with sterling and government bonds dropping significantly in response to a large increase in government borrowing. By 23 September, the pound had hit a 37-year low against the US dollar at below $1.10 whilst the FTSE 100 Index fell by 2.3 per cent. Andrew Wishart, at Capital Economics, said the market reaction to Kwarteng's budget suggested mortgage rates of more than 6 per cent were now a "distinct possibility"
Many people and businesses are still feeling the impact of Liz Truss's disastrous term as Prime Minister, and it is a factor as to why the Conservatives are probably not going to win this election.
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Post by buccaneer on May 30, 2024 10:23:58 GMT
Liz Truss did not crash the economy. Donald Trump did not lose the presidency. And the moon landings were faked. And Jeremy Corbyn was seen acting suspiciously on a grassy knoll in Dallas round about the time JFK was shot. Remember your own goal of an 'alternate reality' thread? That was funny.
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Post by ratcliff on May 30, 2024 11:11:04 GMT
Says someone who knows nothing about how finance and politics work. Your problem srb is that, if you don't learn how this stuff works you're going to be fooled by anything that people tell you - in your case you just believe leftie politicians. That's why you're confused. The economy was NOT crashed. Interest rates went up because of massive borrowing to finance the lockdowns and furlough - and of course a big increase in energy prices. Nothing to do with Truss at all. The governor of the BoE has lot to answer for (selling off gilts) - and of course Sunak for pissing away large amounts of money on furlough and bounce back loans. Of course Truss never tanked the economy. The fact that every Joe and his grandad, including many in the Tory party and across the political spectrum, including most learned economists believe that she did simply demonstrates that they are all stupid. And that the only intelligent ones are supporters of her. The fact that the cuts were entirely unfunded had nothing to do with it, naturally. It was all a big left wing conspiracy involving big bankers, stock market traders - both hotbeds of socialism as we know - the liberal establishment and supporters of Rishi Sunak and the EU who conspired to destroy her. All of which is naturally more plausible than the economy being tanked by unfunded tax cuts for the better off. We are in desperate economic straits right now. Another Truss premiership is surely just what is required, is it not? For the umpteenth time in reply to continued lefty ignorance Tax cuts are not unfunded , tax cuts do not need funding It is government spending that is funded from the nation pot
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 30, 2024 12:27:31 GMT
Of course Truss never tanked the economy. The fact that every Joe and his grandad, including many in the Tory party and across the political spectrum, including most learned economists believe that she did simply demonstrates that they are all stupid. And that the only intelligent ones are supporters of her. The fact that the cuts were entirely unfunded had nothing to do with it, naturally. It was all a big left wing conspiracy involving big bankers, stock market traders - both hotbeds of socialism as we know - the liberal establishment and supporters of Rishi Sunak and the EU who conspired to destroy her. All of which is naturally more plausible than the economy being tanked by unfunded tax cuts for the better off. We are in desperate economic straits right now. Another Truss premiership is surely just what is required, is it not? For the umpteenth time in reply to continued lefty ignorance Tax cuts are not unfunded , tax cuts do not need funding It is government spending that is funded from the nation pot The tax cuts were the result of wobbly thinking that may well have made investors nervous so it will have contributed to the selling of the pound and the currency drop, but all that bad stuff would have been factored out as she was factored out of power. The underlying position of the economy was instead decided when the entire parliament was united in applying the most brutal trade sanctions agaisnt Russia that any country had ever experienced, as per more ruthless than what they do to Iran. The problem here is Russia was a major energy supplier, so it created an energy shortage which in turn created a food shortage because of the energy needed to manufacture fertiliser, something Russia was involved in and then on top of that was Ukraine going to war causing reduced agricultural production in one of the richest farmland areas we have.
So as a result of that the dollar was affected since it is a petrocurrency and then you had additional problems regarding trust. The fact Russia was treated so badly regarding economics and trade, many countries started getting worried they might be the next, and so they have made adjustments to de-dollarise. The US responded by hiking interest rates and passing the Inflation Reduction Act. The thing is our economy is closely coupled to the US and so the Bank of England had little choice but to follow the Fed in interest rates. All Truss did was be PM at the coincidental time this was happening. The rates would have gone up just the same. Switching to Hunt as chancellor though seems to have calmed the markets and given us some greater stability. They know Hunt was establishment and would not do anything rash, so maybe the pound is a little better for that, but to say she crashed it is just a straightforward lie. It's a kind of lie meme in fact. It's one of the flaws of the British people that they can not be honest. Dishonesty leads to stupidity because no one can be certain of anything.
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Post by steppenwolf on May 30, 2024 13:44:19 GMT
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Post by steppenwolf on May 30, 2024 13:57:25 GMT
There' something wrong with this forum platform. I just lost the post I'd written for about the nth time. I can't type it all again.
Sorry srb but the problems we have in our economy are a result of the BoE holding round about £1.2 trillion in QE debt (in the form of gilts - £800 billion down to Brown and £400 billion down to SUnak) and deciding to start selling them. That precipitated the problem with Sterling.
It's ridiculous to blame Truss who only lasted a few weeks and didn't implement any policies in that time. And I am not a supporter of Truss - or any other politician. I just look at the facts and make my own judgements. I've spent my whole life virtually working in finance and I have a pretty good working knowledge of what goes on.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 30, 2024 17:45:50 GMT
There' something wrong with this forum platform. I just lost the post I'd written for about the nth time. I can't type it all again. Sorry srb but the problems we have in our economy are a result of the BoE holding round about £1.2 trillion in QE debt (in the form of gilts - £800 billion down to Brown and £400 billion down to SUnak) and deciding to start selling them. That precipitated the problem with Sterling. It's ridiculous to blame Truss who only lasted a few weeks and didn't implement any policies in that time. And I am not a supporter of Truss - or any other politician. I just look at the facts and make my own judgements. I've spent my whole life virtually working in finance and I have a pretty good working knowledge of what goes on. Yes I will go with what you are saying there, plus there was a communication problem where one arm of the government was not talking to the other arm so they screwed up on some pension investment where if they had known they would have reconfigured it. We seem to be plagued by people in high positions who have bluffed their way in and don't really understand what they are doing.
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Post by Bentley on May 30, 2024 17:56:27 GMT
Where did I say there was no crash Doofus ? Everyday’s a doofus day for you 😁 You ought to join an oratorical debating society. They'd clearly find you a wonder to behold. You should join an onanism society . You are already fully qualified . Dimwit .😁
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Post by patman post on May 30, 2024 18:30:41 GMT
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Post by Bentley on May 30, 2024 18:39:54 GMT
What part of it triggered you?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 20:32:45 GMT
Of course Truss never tanked the economy. The fact that every Joe and his grandad, including many in the Tory party and across the political spectrum, including most learned economists believe that she did simply demonstrates that they are all stupid. And that the only intelligent ones are supporters of her. The fact that the cuts were entirely unfunded had nothing to do with it, naturally. It was all a big left wing conspiracy involving big bankers, stock market traders - both hotbeds of socialism as we know - the liberal establishment and supporters of Rishi Sunak and the EU who conspired to destroy her. All of which is naturally more plausible than the economy being tanked by unfunded tax cuts for the better off. We are in desperate economic straits right now. Another Truss premiership is surely just what is required, is it not? For the umpteenth time in reply to continued lefty ignorance Tax cuts are not unfunded , tax cuts do not need funding It is government spending that is funded from the nation pot The idea that tax cuts come for free is the very reason that Trussonomics failed so badly. Tax cuts have to be funded by increased borrowing or reduced spending.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2024 20:49:06 GMT
Of course Truss never tanked the economy. The fact that every Joe and his grandad, including many in the Tory party and across the political spectrum, including most learned economists believe that she did simply demonstrates that they are all stupid. And that the only intelligent ones are supporters of her. The fact that the cuts were entirely unfunded had nothing to do with it, naturally. It was all a big left wing conspiracy involving big bankers, stock market traders - both hotbeds of socialism as we know - the liberal establishment and supporters of Rishi Sunak and the EU who conspired to destroy her. All of which is naturally more plausible than the economy being tanked by unfunded tax cuts for the better off. We are in desperate economic straits right now. Another Truss premiership is surely just what is required, is it not? For the umpteenth time in reply to continued lefty ignorance Tax cuts are not unfunded , tax cuts do not need funding It is government spending that is funded from the nation pot Far-left economics differ from normal economics where not spending requires funding. It cannot be explained. It just is. In the real world Labour rely on spending other peoples money before the money even exists, and pushes that debt to future generations who are then conditioned to believe in spending beyond their means, and the cycle continues. It cannot be interrupted, because lending money, whilst government taxes people to pay the interest on those loans is better for the 1%. You have to remember that the Left have the economic prowess of a child with daddy's credit card, and I think a lot of them want the economy to blow up.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 30, 2024 21:18:07 GMT
People say that the markets are complicated.
Possibly.
But every market analyst at the time was 1000% convinced that Truss and Kwarteng's (and Kwarteng DOES hold some of the blame) mini-budget was responsible for the sudden, borderline catastrophic dip in the UK Economy.
Only Truss and Tory Stooges who would still vote Tory if their MP got caught shagging a dead baby think otherwise.
All The Best
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Post by Pacifico on May 30, 2024 21:28:30 GMT
For the umpteenth time in reply to continued lefty ignorance Tax cuts are not unfunded , tax cuts do not need funding It is government spending that is funded from the nation pot The idea that tax cuts come for free is the very reason that Trussonomics failed so badly. Tax cuts have to be funded by increased borrowing or reduced spending. Eh? - spending is the only thing that needs to be funded. If you have no spending then there is no funding requirement. C'mon - this is basic economics.
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Post by Pacifico on May 30, 2024 21:29:30 GMT
People say that the markets are complicated. Possibly. But every market analyst at the time was 1000% convinced that Truss and Kwarteng's (and Kwarteng DOES hold some of the blame) mini-budget was responsible for the sudden, borderline catastrophic dip in the UK Economy. Only Truss and Tory Stooges who would still vote Tory if their MP got caught shagging a dead baby think otherwise. All The Best Don't be daft - there is a good chap.
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