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Post by jonksy on May 26, 2024 23:49:01 GMT
I am far from losing the arguement....Maybe you should ask yourself why are labour not picking up the tory defectors or the very many floating voters we have in the UK They are, as per the facts I quoted. The fact is you never mentioned the floating voters..
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Post by jonksy on May 27, 2024 0:07:41 GMT
People must be insane voting for him. He will double the number of people coming here legally or illegally. The Tories have already destroyed the culture and identity of our towns and cities allowing over a million to come here year after year, and Kneelalot is going to finish the country off completely..... Starmer's pledge to 'fight for Britain': Labour leader to appeal to undecided voters by asking them to trust him with UK's 'money, borders and security'
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Post by borchester on May 27, 2024 1:34:55 GMT
I don't see why. The Tory party is currently doing a first class job of destroying itself.
Still, it will be interesting to see if Reform picks up any seats or if Boris will be making any sort of a comeback
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Post by jonksy on May 27, 2024 5:37:46 GMT
Good to see our Nige stating what we all know....Apart from the usual lefty woke bleading heart snowflakes that is who will be calling him a racist or worse... Nigel Farage has come under fire for using his first election interview to “spout Islamophobia, hatred and divisive comments” after he said a growing number of Muslims do not share British values. The honorary president of the Reform UK party drew heavy criticism on Sunday after claiming Rishi Sunak had allowed “more people into the country who are going to fight British values” than any UK leader before him.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 5:42:30 GMT
They are, as per the facts I quoted. The fact is you never mentioned the floating voters.. Errm, I gave you an article on them. You having trouble reading again?
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Post by sheepy on May 27, 2024 6:38:08 GMT
Reform is a lost cause before they start, firstly the public is so confused purposely I might add, by Westminster party politics, they are told they are voting for one thing, but once it is over, the same old lies are brought back into play, the same policies will be followed that have been the same for decades, there will be more pointless mass unskilled immigration, more ways of removing more freedoms, more falls in living standards, more ways to blame it on somebody else, etc,etc,etc.
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Post by jonksy on May 27, 2024 6:38:51 GMT
The fact is you never mentioned the floating voters.. Errm, I gave you an article on them. You having trouble reading again? I have no trouble with my reading but I suggest you read the report you linked too as you clearly haven't. I won't bother asking you to point out the relevant passage in your article that mentions floating voters as I know I will be pissing against the wind..Because your article never mentioned it
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 6:49:24 GMT
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Post by borchester on May 27, 2024 6:52:16 GMT
Errm, I gave you an article on them. You having trouble reading again? I have no trouble with my reading but I suggest you read the report you linked too as you clearly haven't. I won't bother asking you to point out the relevant passage in your article that mentions floating voters as I know I will be pissing against the wind..Because your article never mentioned it The Tories problem is that come polling day, a lot of their supporters won't float, rather they will roll over and go to sleep
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Post by jonksy on May 27, 2024 6:59:57 GMT
No it wasn't and it didn't even mention complacency. Your original link when you started this thread with was an article in the toryagraph not some lefty dumbfucks blog.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 7:06:18 GMT
No it wasn't and it didn't even mention complacency. Your original link when you started this thread with was an article in the toryagraph not some lefty dumbfucks blog. This was in post 3.
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Post by jonksy on May 27, 2024 7:09:08 GMT
No it wasn't and it didn't even mention complacency. Your original link when you started this thread with was an article in the toryagraph not some lefty dumbfucks blog. This was in post 3. What ever and when I tried to go there google has declared it an unsafe site on my mobile...
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 7:25:13 GMT
What ever and when I tried to go there google has declared it an unsafe site on my mobile... Thanks for confirming you hadn't read it whilst claiming I hadn't said anything about floating voters. I accept your apology.
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Post by jonksy on May 27, 2024 7:27:02 GMT
What ever and when I tried to go there google has declared it an unsafe site on my mobile... Thanks for confirming you hadn't read it whilst claiming I hadn't said anything about floating voters. I accept your apology. How can I read it if Google won't allow it. And it's only a lefty blogg FFS not the holy grail.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 7:28:40 GMT
Voter Migration by Party since 2019
This Page First Posted 2 April 2024 Our ever-popular voter migration graphic shows visually the extent of movement between parties. It also includes 'non-voting' as an option, which was popular with some Labour voters in 2019, and is a popular choice for Conservative voters in 2024.
The migration graphic below shows the results of our MRP poll from February. Each figure represents one per cent of those who voted in the 2019 general election, which is equivalent to about 300,000 actual voters. The colour of each figure indicates which party they voted for in 2019.
The migration flows, indicated by the arrows, show how voters have changed their minds since 2019, and indicate the likely transfer of votes at the next election. Parties which are losing voters, such as the Conservatives, have their ranks thinned by lost voters (coloured in grey) who supported them in 2019 but are switched away now. Parties which are gaining votes have their ranks augmented by figures bearing a plus sign (+) who are new supporters of that party since 2019.
Also important are voters who will likely not vote. These are indicated by the big grey figure at the bottom. Some voters did not vote in 2019 but will likely vote in 2024, and they are represented by figures coming out of the non-voting area. Other voters did vote in 2019 but are unlikely to vote this year are shown going into the non-voting area.
In 2019, the Conservatives won 45pc of the GB vote, with Labour on 33pc and the Liberal Democrats on 12pc. The Greens had 3pc and and Brexit 2pc. This is shown in the sizes of the party blocks (including grey voters but ignoring 'plus' voters). The remaining 5pc of voters voted for the SNP, Plaid Cymru and minor parties.
In terms of voter migration, the main story is that voters are leaving the Conservatives in all directions. Twenty-three out of the 45 Conservative voters no longer support the party. Eight have switched to Reform UK, eight more have chosen not to vote at all, and five have switched to Labour. One Conservative voter has gone to each of the Lib Dems and the Greens.
Labour has gained those five Conservative voters, plus three from the Lib Dems and two electors who did not vote in 2019. This represents a reversal of the voters who left Labour in 2019 under Jeremy Corbyn, when voters left for the Conservatives, Lib Dems and to stay at home and not vote.
The Liberal Democrats have gained a Conservative voter, but lost three to Labour. Their overall vote share is reduced, even though they are likely to gain seats due to Conservative weakness.
The Greens have gained two voters from Labour, one from the Conservatives and one from the non-voting group.
You can compare the current migration with the 2017-2019 migration.
Political opinions of Conservative defectors Our poll also asked people about their most important political issues and policies. Those Conservatives who are switching to Reform UK have traditional strong socially conservative attitudes and (more weakly) free-market economics. They are concerned about immigration and asylum, crime and defence. For policies, they want the Rwanda scheme, restoration of the death penalty and (more mildly) lower tax and spending, reduced regulations, and an elected House of Lords.
Those Conservatives who are likely not to vote also had strong feelings about immigration and asylum and were in favour of the Rwanda scheme and capital punishment, but not as much as those who are defecting to Reform.
Those Conservatives who are going to switch to Labour are worried about the economy, inflation and crime. They would like to see utility nationalisation, more house building, and higher tax and spending.
Conclusions Current opinion is dominated by the collapse in the Conservative party vote. The Tories are losing voters in all possible directions, with more than half of their 2019 supporters deserting them today. Reform UK is the main beneficiary of the Conservative exodus, and Labour is also set to gain many new voters.
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