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Post by witchfinder on May 24, 2024 18:09:58 GMT
Starmer ducking and diving ?
Starmer has told electors that any Labour government cannot alter the 2 children rule on Family Allowance, or abolish tuition fees, or do everything that the electorate want, because the money is not there to do all the things that people want.
Instead, the main focus would be to concentrate on the NHS for now, to repair the damage, and get the NHS back on its feet again.
No ducking and diving - just straight forward speaking, telling voters that a Labour government will not be able to everything, because the money is not there, and growth has been at an almost standstill.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 24, 2024 18:11:04 GMT
This election is being referred to as the 'immigration' election, and you don't need me to tell you that the Tories track record on immigration both legal and illegal is woeful. But anyone who seriously thinks Labour will stop the boats and reduce immigration as they claim they will, should be in secure accommodation. The voter in this election has one of the following choices: a) Sunak; who in my opinion is not a centre right Conservative and has allowed the illegal invasion from the EU to continue which, in my opinion, is his biggest failing. b) Starmer; who faught tooth & nail to overturn the biggest democratic vote in British political history. He has said he will seek a closer relationship with the EU. He refuses to spell out Labour immigration policy because he favours accepting EU migration quotas and an amnesty for all illegals. Ha says he will scrap Rwanda even if it's working. He is a big fan of forcing us into fuel poverty with net zero. c) Reform UK; my heart says vote Reform, my head says vote Tory. It might be different if Farage was standing. d) Ed Davey; (lol) He's too busy checking the pronouns of his unicorns. e) The Green Party; god knows who the leader is, some left wing space cadet who eats grass and cries if it's sunny. This posters, is the choice you're faced with. I think we can all agree, the word that springs to mind is, uninspiring. So I will hold my nose and vote Tory, not because I particularly like Sunak or Tory policies, but because I don't trust Starmer, I cant comment on Labour policies, I don't know what they are. Who is referring to this election as "the immigration election"? I'm afraid that information is released on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know.  |
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Post by happyhornet on May 24, 2024 18:13:55 GMT
Who is referring to this election as "the immigration election"? I'm afraid that information is released on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know. It sounds a bit 2015 to me. |
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Post by om15 on May 24, 2024 18:18:10 GMT
Red, you have summed the situation up very well, I think that many Reform supporters will drop back to Tory, George Galloway and his Muslim chums will take a few Labour seats and it will be a much closer result than predicted, with possibly a hung result giving us a Labour/LibDem coalition. Starmer has ruled out a deal with the SNP so that may well happen.
It seems Ricky is future proofing the Tories by ensuring all potential candidates have no right wing tendencies, are completely diverse and will not effectively control immigration. All right thinking people are appalled by Starmer, whose only policy we know of is to destroy private education and destroy the City financial institutions.
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Post by witchfinder on May 24, 2024 18:19:14 GMT
In Scotland, immigration is not an issue at all
The two biggest issues seem to be THe NHS and the cost of living, it wont be all about immigration, though I accept it is an issue for some people. Housing and education are also up there amongst peoples concerns.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 24, 2024 18:34:58 GMT
In Scotland, immigration is not an issue at all The two biggest issues seem to be THe NHS and the cost of living, it wont be all about immigration, though I accept it is an issue for some people. Housing and education are also up there amongst peoples concerns. Are you surprised immigration is not much an issue in Scotland? Unlike England, Scotland's empty. Scotland has a population of 5.4 million, or 70 people per square kilometre. England has a population of 68 million, or 426 people per square kilometre. [That's the official fig, god only knows what the actual fig might be] Which is why immigration is a big issue in England. |
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Post by sheepy on May 24, 2024 18:45:12 GMT
In Scotland, immigration is not an issue at all The two biggest issues seem to be THe NHS and the cost of living, it wont be all about immigration, though I accept it is an issue for some people. Housing and education are also up there amongst peoples concerns. Are you surprised immigration is not much an issue in Scotland? Unlike England, Scotland's empty. Scotland has a population of 5.4 million, or 70 people per square kilometre. England has a population of 68 million, or 426 people per square kilometre. [That's the official fig, god only knows what the actual fig might be] Which is why immigration is a big issue in England. Give it up Rackham the Tories knew immigration was a big Brexit issue as well, but did naff all about it, well when I say naff all I mean they actually expanded it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 24, 2024 18:52:42 GMT
Are you surprised immigration is not much an issue in Scotland? Unlike England, Scotland's empty. Scotland has a population of 5.4 million, or 70 people per square kilometre. England has a population of 68 million, or 426 people per square kilometre. [That's the official fig, god only knows what the actual fig might be] Which is why immigration is a big issue in England. Give it up Rackham the Tories knew immigration was a big Brexit issue as well, but did naff all about it, well when I say naff all I mean they actually expanded it. You appear to be supporting my case. Immigration is a big issue in England. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 24, 2024 18:52:43 GMT
Are you surprised immigration is not much an issue in Scotland? Unlike England, Scotland's empty. Scotland has a population of 5.4 million, or 70 people per square kilometre. England has a population of 68 million, or 426 people per square kilometre. [That's the official fig, god only knows what the actual fig might be] Which is why immigration is a big issue in England. Give it up Rackham the Tories knew immigration was a big Brexit issue as well, but did naff all about it, well when I say naff all I mean they actually expanded it. The UK never banked on France playing Brexit dirty guts, their punishment is sending their migrants over to the UK, seemingly there is fuck all we can legally do about it, the UK is solving France migrant crisis, French border control just boot the dinghies towards the UK, how do you suggest we stop Macron and the French from using the UK as their migrant dumping ground? |
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Post by witchfinder on May 24, 2024 18:53:24 GMT
According to the PA News Agency ( formerly The Press Association ) the key issues are
1 The Economy and cost of living
2 The NHS
3 Immigration
The Tories should not even bother attempting to defend their recordon the NHS, they simply cannot win on this issue, its a lost cause for the Tories.
THe poorly performing economy and stagnating growth has happened under the governments of David Cameron, Teressa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.
Sunaks promise to stop the boats has been broken - Sunaks promise to get flights off to Rwanda has not happened. The Great British Public know its a gimmick, they know it involves only a tiny fraction of asylum seekers, and they know the ridiculous costs involved.
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Post by sheepy on May 24, 2024 18:55:26 GMT
Give it up Rackham the Tories knew immigration was a big Brexit issue as well, but did naff all about it, well when I say naff all I mean they actually expanded it. The UK never banked on France playing Brexit dirty guts, their punishment is sending their migrants over to the UK, seemingly there is fuck all we can legally do about it, the UK is solving France migrant crisis, French border control just boot the dinghies towards the UK, how do you suggest we stop Macron and the French from using the UK as their migrant dumping ground? They didn't just expand illegal immigration they massively increased legal immigration. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 24, 2024 19:06:32 GMT
The UK never banked on France playing Brexit dirty guts, their punishment is sending their migrants over to the UK, seemingly there is fuck all we can legally do about it, the UK is solving France migrant crisis, French border control just boot the dinghies towards the UK, how do you suggest we stop Macron and the French from using the UK as their migrant dumping ground? They didn't just expand illegal immigration they massively increased legal immigration. Yes France have done exactly that. |
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Post by sheepy on May 24, 2024 19:10:15 GMT
They didn't just expand illegal immigration they massively increased legal immigration. Yes France have done exactly that. I don't give flying one about passing the buck onto France, it was the Tory government in charge with a huge majority. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 24, 2024 19:20:06 GMT
Yes France have done exactly that. I don't give flying one about passing the buck onto France, it was the Tory government in charge with a huge majority. How the FUCK can the Tory government stop French border control from running a illegal migrant dingy shuttle service to the UK?
They have refused UK border control to work with them for FREE, we give them millions to do FUCK ALL to stop them, the buck stops at France, the ONE and only reason the UK is inundated with illegal migrants is the fault of FRANCE, not the TORIES ..... France ....... you'd have to be as fuckin thick as two short planks not to work that one out ............ DUH
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Post by sheepy on May 24, 2024 19:22:27 GMT
I don't give flying one about passing the buck onto France, it was the Tory government in charge with a huge majority. How the FUCK can the Tory government stop French border control from running a illegal migrant dingy shuttle service to the UK?
They have refused UK border control to work with them for FREE, we give them millions to do FUCK ALL to stop them, the buck stops at France, the ONE and only reason the UK is inundated with illegal migrants is the fault of FRANCE, not the TORIES ..... France ....... you'd have to be as fuckin thick as two short plans not to work than one out ............ DUH
Not by paying them that's for sure but then they knew that because they were told so. No, the fault of illegal immigration is the fault of the government. |
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