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Post by Orac on Jul 22, 2024 7:53:07 GMT
Blood scandals, sub-standard maternity care, why is the NHS in its current format so sacrosanct? It acts as a vector for immigration. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 16, 2024 23:34:14 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 17, 2024 0:16:28 GMT
Quote: Evidence presented in the case of Lucy Letby showing which staff came in and out of the baby unit was wrong, the Crown Prosecution Service has admitted.
Last August, Letby was convicted of the murders of seven babies and the attempted murders of six others at the Countess of Chester Hospital.
A retrial earlier this year found her guilty of the attempted murder of another child, known as Baby K.
During the retrial, Nick Johnson KC, prosecuting, told the court that door swipe data, showing which nurses and doctors were entering and exiting the intensive care ward, had been “mislabelled”.
The Crown Prosecution Service told The Telegraph that the discrepancy discovered was related to one door in the neonatal intensive care unit, and that it had been corrected for the retrial.
Now Sir David Davis, the Tory MP, has written to Sarah Hammond, the chief crown prosecutor of Mersey-Cheshire CPS, asking her to “urgently make clear” what timing errors were made during the first trial and how they relate to the prosecution arguments.Interesting stuff. Could it really be that Letby, a convicted mass murderer is in fact, innocent? Perhaps I have too much faith in a flawed system but I just cant see it. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 17, 2024 6:22:03 GMT
Quote: Evidence presented in the case of Lucy Letby showing which staff came in and out of the baby unit was wrong, the Crown Prosecution Service has admitted.
Last August, Letby was convicted of the murders of seven babies and the attempted murders of six others at the Countess of Chester Hospital.
A retrial earlier this year found her guilty of the attempted murder of another child, known as Baby K.
During the retrial, Nick Johnson KC, prosecuting, told the court that door swipe data, showing which nurses and doctors were entering and exiting the intensive care ward, had been “mislabelled”.
The Crown Prosecution Service told The Telegraph that the discrepancy discovered was related to one door in the neonatal intensive care unit, and that it had been corrected for the retrial.
Now Sir David Davis, the Tory MP, has written to Sarah Hammond, the chief crown prosecutor of Mersey-Cheshire CPS, asking her to “urgently make clear” what timing errors were made during the first trial and how they relate to the prosecution arguments.Interesting stuff. Could it really be that Letby, a convicted mass murderer is in fact, innocent? Perhaps I have too much faith in a flawed system but I just cant see it. I am not saying 100% I believe she is innocent but I am not convinced of her guilt which is based on circumstantial evidence. The crown is always very reluctant to admit any errors but as we have seen in the past entirely innocent people have been convicted on flawed evidence,if at some stage pre trial it is decided it was you they will build a case around that often omitting anything that contradicts. Experts are very reluctant to appear for the defence since one eminent professor was prosecuted for doing so (later quashed) and had her entire career ruined. Lets face it looking at that who even if convinced that evidence was false would stick their neck out. Many staff across the country who are employed in the position she was are quitting in fear similar could happen to them and you don’t have to look far to see deaths at many units in different hospitals in these units is high. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Aug 24, 2024 1:32:55 GMT
Women do not have to accept any medical or midwifery care or treatment during childbirth ... even if they are considered "high risk". Only 2% of births are home births, usually with midwifery assistance ... very few women opt to give birth without any form of medical support. They rely on family or friends. Just prior to WW2 large numbers of hospitals were built around British cities in the belief that there would be mass casualties. Later many of them were used as maternity hospitals and women were encouraged to use them.
"Before the 1940s, almost every woman gave birth at home ... by the early 1970s almost all births occurred in hospital. While all this was happening, women and families were campaigning to be heard, and to have their own choices and feeling considered within maternity policies".
In the 1970s there was a demonstration outside a major London hospital ... against the "Autocratic male domination in the maternity ward". I knew a woman who had given birth in the hospital. She had been severely chastised for "cursing and swearing" whilst giving birth. She was "upsetting other patients" ... so she was told.
I once asked an ambulance person if they "tell off" injured people if they swear in the ambulance. She retorted: "Every time!". I myself have witnessed "distressed patients" on a ward being "told off" for swearing.
There have been several reports in the newspapers by "Health experts" who say that swearing can be of justifiable benefit for patients "in distress". The sensibilities of the minority who find such language "offensive" should not take precedence. Using such language makes it plain how the patient is feeling.
"How do you feel?"
"Fucking awful" should be an acceptable response.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 2, 2024 12:02:21 GMT
Quote: Evidence presented in the case of Lucy Letby showing which staff came in and out of the baby unit was wrong, the Crown Prosecution Service has admitted.
Last August, Letby was convicted of the murders of seven babies and the attempted murders of six others at the Countess of Chester Hospital.
A retrial earlier this year found her guilty of the attempted murder of another child, known as Baby K.
During the retrial, Nick Johnson KC, prosecuting, told the court that door swipe data, showing which nurses and doctors were entering and exiting the intensive care ward, had been “mislabelled”.
The Crown Prosecution Service told The Telegraph that the discrepancy discovered was related to one door in the neonatal intensive care unit, and that it had been corrected for the retrial.
Now Sir David Davis, the Tory MP, has written to Sarah Hammond, the chief crown prosecutor of Mersey-Cheshire CPS, asking her to “urgently make clear” what timing errors were made during the first trial and how they relate to the prosecution arguments.Interesting stuff. Could it really be that Letby, a convicted mass murderer is in fact, innocent? Perhaps I have too much faith in a flawed system but I just cant see it. I am not saying 100% I believe she is innocent but I am not convinced of her guilt which is based on circumstantial evidence. The crown is always very reluctant to admit any errors but as we have seen in the past entirely innocent people have been convicted on flawed evidence,if at some stage pre trial it is decided it was you they will build a case around that often omitting anything that contradicts. Experts are very reluctant to appear for the defence since one eminent professor was prosecuted for doing so (later quashed) and had her entire career ruined. Lets face it looking at that who even if convinced that evidence was false would stick their neck out. Many staff across the country who are employed in the position she was are quitting in fear similar could happen to them and you don’t have to look far to see deaths at many units in different hospitals in these units is high. IMHO Her Trials was not built entirely on Circumstantial Evidence which is totally acceptable to put before a Jury, the Judge decides if it is permitted or not which the Defence can and do contest as per normal practice " Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact It is indirect evidence that does not, on its face, prove a fact in issue but gives rise to a logical inference that the fact exists3. Circumstantial evidence requires drawing additional reasonable inferences in order to support the claim .It is often used alongside other pieces of evidence to establish proof beyond reasonable doubt " When Police investigate a person and gather all the evidence they can they put a File containing ever bit of their investigation to the CPS, including information and or evidence that is not considered relevant called " unused" . When the CPS formulate the charges the entire Case File including unused material is given to the accused's defence team and the Judge who will preside over the trial. Yes there are some cases where unused material has been held back or omitted by the Police making a mistake human error but not often considering the amount of cases put before our Courts year in year out, Police are not trained legal experts never have been never will be that is why the CPS was formed I disagree that experts are reluctant to voice their opinions in Court , both for the Crown and those called by the Defence they do so on a regular basis in many Trials even in far less complicated Trials than Letby's. She has appealed against her Convictions to the Court of Appeal and her appeal has been rejected having read all the evidence IMHO I think she is guilty as charged, all the other staff were eliminated one by one, Letby was the only one that was present when each child was murdered or an attempt on their life was made, plus of course her rambling writings they found at her home, a very disturbed woman IMHO |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 2, 2024 14:30:13 GMT
I am not saying 100% I believe she is innocent but I am not convinced of her guilt which is based on circumstantial evidence. The crown is always very reluctant to admit any errors but as we have seen in the past entirely innocent people have been convicted on flawed evidence,if at some stage pre trial it is decided it was you they will build a case around that often omitting anything that contradicts. Experts are very reluctant to appear for the defence since one eminent professor was prosecuted for doing so (later quashed) and had her entire career ruined. Lets face it looking at that who even if convinced that evidence was false would stick their neck out. Many staff across the country who are employed in the position she was are quitting in fear similar could happen to them and you don’t have to look far to see deaths at many units in different hospitals in these units is high. IMHO Her Trials was not built entirely on Circumstantial Evidence which is totally acceptable to put before a Jury, the Judge decides if it is permitted or not which the Defence can and do contest as per normal practice " Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact It is indirect evidence that does not, on its face, prove a fact in issue but gives rise to a logical inference that the fact exists3. Circumstantial evidence requires drawing additional reasonable inferences in order to support the claim .It is often used alongside other pieces of evidence to establish proof beyond reasonable doubt " When Police investigate a person and gather all the evidence they can they put a File containing ever bit of their investigation to the CPS, including information and or evidence that is not considered relevant called " unused" . When the CPS formulate the charges the entire Case File including unused material is given to the accused's defence team and the Judge who will preside over the trial. Yes there are some cases where unused material has been held back or omitted by the Police making a mistake human error but not often considering the amount of cases put before our Courts year in year out, Police are not trained legal experts never have been never will be that is why the CPS was formed I disagree that experts are reluctant to voice their opinions in Court , both for the Crown and those called by the Defence they do so on a regular basis in many Trials even in far less complicated Trials than Letby's. She has appealed against her Convictions to the Court of Appeal and her appeal has been rejected having read all the evidence IMHO I think she is guilty as charged, all the other staff were eliminated one by one, Letby was the only one that was present when each child was murdered or an attempt on their life was made, plus of course her rambling writings they found at her home, a very disturbed woman IMHO I quite understand you disagree and as I’ve stated I’m not certain she is innocent but I am certain some of the evidence is flawed. As far as this I read very recently of a female professor who gave evidence for the defence who was later prosecuted and convicted which was later overturned and she was vindicated but it ended her career,many defence barristers have said since expert medical witnesses have refused to appear. Even a doctor and nurses who supported Letby were warned off by the nhs (see telegraph piece below.) Regards this Which is not strictly true,the CPS have now admitted that the electronic card system which staff used to gain entry to various parts of the unit and recorded the time and the staff member was faulty as were some of the records and which is why David Davi’s is asking questions in parliament regards this and other parts of her trial. Regardsher writings found at her home you have to remember she was arrested and questioned several times over a number of years which would affect anybodies mental state and her ramblings. Andrew Malkinson a Manchester man who was jailed for rape spent 17 years inside longer than would’ve have been usual but he was refused parole because he wouldn’t admit his guilt. He was repeatedly denied the right to appeal but dna evidence proved he’s was innocent and it was connected to another man. |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 3, 2024 17:32:51 GMT
And now it emerges those mad ramblings and so called confessions were written on the advice of counsellors link |
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