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Post by Dan Dare on May 23, 2024 17:05:51 GMT
Because ther is no possible biologial, rational or scientific reason which backs up any argument or conclusion that a person who's skin pigment is dark or black is more liable to be criminaly minded. There is also no logical or sane argument that a person of a specific, or particular faith is more liable to be a criminal, its like saying people with brown hair are more likely to commit a crime as opposed to people with fair hair. Its just nonsense That could well be so however, as explained in the article in the OP, the data in question relates to migrants and their nationality, not their skin colour.
It does not focus on the propensity to criminality of any particular racial or ethnic group, in fact the statistics provide a record of what has already transpired and does not attempt to predict what is likely to do so in the future.
So again, why should such matters not be put before the public? Don't they have a right to know?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 19:11:35 GMT
Civil servants want to block such a scheme ? ... what could the reason be Because Xenophobes and racists will attempt to use the data to further their ignorant views, that a dirty foreigner is much more likely to be a criminal because ..... they are foreign, or black, or Asian, or a dirty rotten Muslim. And all the thicko's from the Berwick to Landsend will believe such shite, and Reform UK will jump on the data and USE IT to further their hatred, which could cause some real problems in society. A certain political movement ( name barred on here ) from 1930s Germany indulged in the very same activities, and decent people dont want it here in Britain in the 21st century. An analysis of the prison population ratio of foreigners compared to the same ratio in society pretty much answers this. Foreigners are over-represented in our prisons, but it could be the racist system that is sending them there. |
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Post by witchfinder on May 23, 2024 20:06:27 GMT
Why were black people more likely to be criminals in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s ?
Why were black people in the United States, particularly in the South, more likely to either commit crime, or find themselves in prison.
Why are Roma people more likely to be imprisoned than non-Roma people in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary
In Victorian Britain why were poor people much more likely to be part of the prison population as oppossed to middle class or wealthy people. ?
Why are certain crimes higher in Doncaster or Middlesbrough than in Tonbridge Wells or Harrogate
Its not the fact that a person is a migrant which is more likely to make them commit crime, its their circumstances. Intelligent people understand and "get it", but other people like to use statistics as a weapon to argue their xenophobic points.
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2024 21:23:39 GMT
Its not the fact that a person is a migrant which is more likely to make them commit crime, its their circumstances. Intelligent people understand and "get it", but other people like to use statistics as a weapon to argue their xenophobic points. so, if as you seem to be admitting, it is the circumstances of migrants that make them more likely to commit crimes, should that not be used to inform us about the level of migration that we should endure? |
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Post by Totheleft on May 24, 2024 4:17:57 GMT
In the prison population we have a over population of illiterate/Semi illiterate
Should I be Stigmatised when I've never committed a crime ?
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Post by Pacifico on May 24, 2024 6:44:56 GMT
Surely you would use that information to improve education?. In the same way that you would use information about immigration status to improve the immigration system (become more selective perhaps?)
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Post by sandypine on May 24, 2024 7:21:13 GMT
Why were black people more likely to be criminals in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s ? Why were black people in the United States, particularly in the South, more likely to either commit crime, or find themselves in prison. Why are Roma people more likely to be imprisoned than non-Roma people in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary In Victorian Britain why were poor people much more likely to be part of the prison population as oppossed to middle class or wealthy people. ? Why are certain crimes higher in Doncaster or Middlesbrough than in Tonbridge Wells or Harrogate Its not the fact that a person is a migrant which is more likely to make them commit crime, its their circumstances. Intelligent people understand and "get it", but other people like to use statistics as a weapon to argue their xenophobic points. What you are saying is that circumstances is the only factor which is not true and certainly not proven. There are many factors which make groups more capable of acting in a criminal manner on average and it is a very complicated relationship. Race unfortunately is one of these factors. Statistics are often used by not comparing like for like which is very true but then the left in general stand beside dodgy stats that favour their viewpoint and ignore the dubious base of their derivation. The death of black people during arrest is one such highly dodgy stat. Unfortunately what is true is that as regards Roma people crime increases in neighbourhoods they temporarily reside in which is true in Eastern Europe as it is here and the clean up and taking stock after some meets and horse fairs is a major undertaking. Why is wife beating more prevalent in Muslim communities? Why are absentee fathers more common in poor black families than in poor white families or poor Asian families? |
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Post by Totheleft on May 24, 2024 7:49:16 GMT
Surely you would use that information to improve education?. In the same way that you would use information about immigration status to improve the immigration system (become more selective perhaps?) I can tell you I been on loads of further educational programme especially during my early job seeking years and I'm still below standard literacy. Education doesn't always work unfortunately. |
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Post by witchfinder on May 24, 2024 10:52:45 GMT
In the prison population we have a over population of illiterate/Semi illiterate Should I be Stigmatised when I've never committed a crime ? Absolutely - well said Also, there is a high percentage of people in prisons with mental health issues, and some who should not even be in a prison. Wherever there is Want, Poverty or Discrimination, you will find crime |
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Post by Pacifico on May 24, 2024 11:10:28 GMT
In the prison population we have a over population of illiterate/Semi illiterate Should I be Stigmatised when I've never committed a crime ? Absolutely - well said Also, there is a high percentage of people in prisons with mental health issues, and some who should not even be in a prison. Wherever there is Want, Poverty or Discrimination, you will find crime So as foreign born migrants are over represented do you think we should be more selective about who we let in? You make it sound like we are only admitting the mad, poor and destitute... |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2024 11:56:39 GMT
Its not the fact that a person is a migrant which is more likely to make them commit crime, its their circumstances. Intelligent people understand and "get it", but other people like to use statistics as a weapon to argue their xenophobic points. so, if as you seem to be admitting, it is the circumstances of migrants that make them more likely to commit crimes, should that not be used to inform us about the level of migration that we should endure? You're supposed to accept further suffering or else he'll use the little book of politicised phobias against you. Considering other factors, I would say it lies somewhere between sociopath and psychopath. There is no rational reason to object to your request, but then again there is also no reason why you should be forced to suffer to please such a thing. |
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