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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 21, 2024 9:18:22 GMT
Oh, Nulla... The issues are well documented so I shan't repeat them here. Suffice to say that every Labour government has ended in ignominy and financial disaster. Every single time. And then the Tories have to come in and fix it. And the sheeple keep voting for more of the same. This is the first government to lower living standards in history... And the Tories have INCREASED our debt, so in what way have they "FIXED" it? Really, Andy? Granted, they haven't improved much but then when you consider what they've had to deal with (war, global pandemic etc) is it really that bad? Because it certainly doesn't appear so. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2024 9:54:27 GMT
Oh, Nulla... The issues are well documented so I shan't repeat them here. Suffice to say that every Labour government has ended in ignominy and financial disaster. Every single time. And then the Tories have to come in and fix it. And the sheeple keep voting for more of the same. This is the first government to lower living standards in history... And the Tories have INCREASED our debt, so in what way have they "FIXED" it? Do tell us all andrea what former labour infestation had to deal with a global pandemic the wrath of the EUSSR along with an illegal invasion by Russia? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 21, 2024 10:17:46 GMT
Oh, Nulla... The issues are well documented so I shan't repeat them here. Suffice to say that every Labour government has ended in ignominy and financial disaster. Every single time. And then the Tories have to come in and fix it. And the sheeple keep voting for more of the same. This is the first government to lower living standards in history... And the Tories have INCREASED our debt, so in what way have they "FIXED" it? This is also the same government in recent history that's had a world wide pandemic and at least two wars raging, the only consolation we can draw is thank goodness it wasn't Labour in charge when all this happened. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 21, 2024 10:21:17 GMT
Let's not forget that Beer Korma endorsed pretty much all of the Tories actions but with the caveat that Labour would have gone further.
Imagine the economic carnage from an even more extended lock-down.
So, based on the evidence, the best we can expect from Labour is more of the same with the likelihood that things will be far worse.
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 21, 2024 10:49:19 GMT
Let's not forget that Beer Korma endorsed pretty much all of the Tories actions but with the caveat that Labour would have gone further. Imagine the economic carnage from an even more extended lock-down. So, based on the evidence, the best we can expect from Labour is more of the same with the likelihood that things will be far worse. All you have left is an argument based on silly name calling, referring to an incident in which no one broke any rules, and which the Labour leader and all involved were cleared - TWICE. The Tory hypocrite Richard Holden who would not accept the police investigation outcomes, has fled like a coward from County Durham, and has been parachuted into a safe Tory seat ( if there is such a thing ) in the South. "Likelihood" "Would have" "expect" are all examples of guessing, guessing based on your politicaly biased opinions. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 21, 2024 10:53:01 GMT
Let's not forget that Beer Korma endorsed pretty much all of the Tories actions but with the caveat that Labour would have gone further. Imagine the economic carnage from an even more extended lock-down. So, based on the evidence, the best we can expect from Labour is more of the same with the likelihood that things will be far worse. All you have left is an argument based on silly name calling, referring to an incident in which no one broke any rules, and which the Labour leader and all involved were cleared - TWICE. The Tory hypocrite Richard Holden who would not accept the police investigation outcomes, has fled like a coward from County Durham, and has been parachuted into a safe Tory seat ( if there is such a thing ) in the South. "Likelihood" "Would have" "expect" are all examples of guessing, guessing based on your politicaly biased opinions. Did you actually read what I wrote? I pointed out what Starmer actually said. The only one offering unsubstantiated opinion is you. As usual.🙄 Although I accept that Starmer is so untrustworthy that nothing he says can be believed, so perhaps that's where your confusion comes from. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 21, 2024 10:56:12 GMT
Oh, Nulla... The issues are well documented so I shan't repeat them here. Suffice to say that every Labour government has ended in ignominy and financial disaster. Every single time. And then the Tories have to come in and fix it. And the sheeple keep voting for more of the same.
And the Tories have INCREASED our debt, so in what way have they "FIXED" it? And how are you measuring this? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 21, 2024 11:10:55 GMT
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 21, 2024 11:14:09 GMT
This is the hypocrisy of the Tories
At the 2010 general election the Conservatives managed to scrape their way to victory by telling the lie that the debt situation was "All Labours fault", when the deficit reached 10% of GDP.
Yet in 2021 the deficit reached almost 15% of GDP
The Tories just cannot be honest with the electorate, the high deficit of 2010 was as a direct result of circumstances well beyond the control of any British government, as was the high deficit of 2021.
Measuring BOTH the Budget Deficit and National Debt as a percentage of GDP is the only true measure which any economist will take notice of.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 21, 2024 11:28:44 GMT
This is the hypocrisy of the Tories At the 2010 general election the Conservatives managed to scrape their way to victory by telling the lie that the debt situation was "All Labours fault", when the deficit reached 10% of GDP. Yet in 2021 the deficit reached almost 15% of GDP The Tories just cannot be honest with the electorate, the high deficit of 2010 was as a direct result of circumstances well beyond the control of any British government, as was the high deficit of 2021. Measuring BOTH the Budget Deficit and National Debt as a percentage of GDP is the only true measure which any economist will take notice of. It depends how you look at it, the debt is an ongoing burden. Labour increased that debt by about 80% the Tories increased the debt by about 20%. Neither are good but if one is considering unknown international situations then the Tories did better, that does not mean I think they did well. Both situations should have been much better prepared for if a government is doing their job and law, regulations and oversight in place to ensure the effects are mitigated. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 21, 2024 11:54:32 GMT
And yet again fiddles ignores the point while pushing the same unsubstantiated nonsense on multiple threads.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 21, 2024 14:35:22 GMT
This is the first government to lower living standards in history...
And the Tories have INCREASED our debt, so in what way have they "FIXED" it? And how are you measuring this?  |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 21, 2024 16:33:11 GMT
And how are you measuring this? These are interesting figures. What is interesting is that possibly Macmillan was right, under Tories we never had it so good and that worked under Churchill, Macmillan, Heath ,Thatcher, Major it even increased under Cameron. What is evident the periods of decline tie in with the Red lines. That is a broad observation and by no means scientific |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 21, 2024 17:32:21 GMT
It's interesting that Income rose in every term of Thatchers Government and fell during every term of the New Labour Government.
So Blair advising Starmer is not looking good chaps...
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 21, 2024 18:07:58 GMT
It's interesting that Income rose in every term of Thatchers Government and fell during every term of the New Labour Government. So Blair advising Starmer is not looking good chaps... I think you've read the chart wrong! These are INCREASES in disposable income. Any positive figure means it's gone up. 🙈 |
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