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Post by sandypine on Nov 25, 2022 16:46:32 GMT
Have we not been working 'upstream' with the French for the last God knows how many years? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 25, 2022 16:46:59 GMT
Only if he ever wins an election. Oh you of little faith If the polls are to believed labour are not only in for a win but a landslide victory and there not been any movement in the past month or so. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 25, 2022 17:16:52 GMT
Starmer now says he is against immigration.
This is on top of the one a while back where he says he is against unions striking.
In other words Labour under Starmer are shaking off their unelectable clothes. Perhaps one day he will go for the hat trick and state he is not woke either.
Anyway, to me it looks like strategic positioning in the centre. I listened to the both of them at the CBI conference. Sunak said a big fat nothing in an hour of shit talking. Starmer on the other hand had a plan to upskill British workers. He's thinking of a high skill, high tech economy. It is what is needed, who knows if he can deliver it, but the Sunak was totally without ideas. He's biding his time. Better a man with a plan than one without a plan.
The problem with Labour they promise all things to all people, if it's a vote winner Starmer will go with it, if Starmer is actually saying he's going to control migration then it has to be a vote winner, he's just picking up what is making the Tories unpopular, if Starmer did get in to power he'd never mention cutting migration again, but this illegal migration is coming to ahead now, people are sick and tired of it, it's the difference is the Tories winning the next GE. It's difficult to say what he would do in power because he has never been in power, but as I see it, he is at least fixing his position on the big matters. I forgot to mention as well he has fixed his position on Brexit too. Labour has suffered a great deal in the past for having a bunch of loonies with unworkable ideas. I see Starmer more as a free thinker. What I really hate though is his suckering to the US on the matter of Ukraine. It does indicate to me that if the US told him to jump he would jump every time in power. Sunak did this on the matter of fracking. That's another thing. We are going to have a serious gas supply shortage. Qatar has blown the Western nations out in favour of Asian contracts. Without energy our economy is totally fucked. You might as well forget it if you don't have the energy. The only reason Germany did well after WW2 was due to cheap energy. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 25, 2022 20:20:30 GMT
Well … www.gbnews.uk/politics/dehenna-davison-and-veteran-tory-say-they-wont-stand-again-amid-polling-slump/396715If she is so desperate to enjoy the penniless, prospectless, in the gutter drinking white lightning future her fellow “twenty somethings” in her constituency face thanks to Fishy Rishi and his austerity measures then perhaps she should duck off from her eighty four and a half grand plus perks to die for ‘job’ now, and cause a by election to reveal the depth of hatred for the party, instead of what she’s ACTUALLY doing, which is serving notice today of her intention to take the thirty grand golden goodbye ALL MPs who stay on to the dissolution / proroguing get as a cushion to soften their crashdive to the world of work as seen by their constituents. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 26, 2022 2:03:50 GMT
I don't like Starmer because he doesn't seem to stand for anything... as displayed by his newly found love of populism.
He does seem reasonably competent though, but where is the rest of the talent on the Labour benches? When Blair won, he had a good core of talent around him. This current crop seems to have been elected based on their ability to virtue signal and yell "Tory Scum". I fear it will be different government, same shit show.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 26, 2022 3:49:35 GMT
I don't like Starmer because he doesn't seem to stand for anything... as displayed by his newly found love of populism. He does seem reasonably competent though, but where is the rest of the talent on the Labour benches? When Blair won, he had a good core of talent around him. This current crop seems to have been elected based on their ability to virtue signal and yell "Tory Scum". I fear it will be different government, same shit show. So who would will you vote to change the status quo ? |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 26, 2022 4:53:50 GMT
I don't like Starmer because he doesn't seem to stand for anything... as displayed by his newly found love of populism. He does seem reasonably competent though, but where is the rest of the talent on the Labour benches? When Blair won, he had a good core of talent around him. This current crop seems to have been elected based on their ability to virtue signal and yell "Tory Scum". I fear it will be different government, same shit show. So who would will you vote to change the status quo ? No one in the three main parties. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 6:45:41 GMT
Does anyone remember the chicken run leading up to the 1997 election by which prominent Tory MPs and ministers likely to lose their seats, abandoned them to stand in safe seats elsewhere? I think chicken run 2 is on the horizon. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 26, 2022 8:08:54 GMT
So who would will you vote to change the status quo ? No one in the three main parties. What like voting Reformuk/ukip That wouldnt get you to heaven |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 1, 2022 7:07:26 GMT
No one in the three main parties. What like voting Reformuk/ukip That wouldnt get you to heaven There is no Heaven. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2022 22:09:10 GMT
I am not surprised that so many are thinking about stepping down. Who would be a politician? Toxic media, toxic opposition, toxic social media, 80-hour weeks, away from family most of the week, zero respect from the public, deaths threats... Tbh I am looking forward to a Labour government because they are going to reap that they have sowed... ie crucified by the media. UK politics is about to change, PR is about to be thrust upon us and the Tories and Labour will die. That's quite a coincidence, that they have all chosen this time to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 23:44:42 GMT
The Tory Party is fighting itself, and to put it in simple terms its fight between traditional Fiscal Tories and the modern Populist Tories, as in for example Boris Johnson.
The problem is that under a traditional Tory such as Rishi Sunak, the Tory Party does not appeal to ordinary working class voters.
This is why Tory MPs are deserting the party - the writting is on the wall regarding the next General Election
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 3, 2022 0:08:49 GMT
Javid said he won't stand next GE
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Post by Handyman on Dec 5, 2022 13:14:15 GMT
The Tory Party is fighting itself, and to put it in simple terms its fight between traditional Fiscal Tories and the modern Populist Tories, as in for example Boris Johnson. The problem is that under a traditional Tory such as Rishi Sunak, the Tory Party does not appeal to ordinary working class voters. This is why Tory MPs are deserting the party - the writting is on the wall regarding the next General Election It is not unusual for MPs to give up their seats when a GE is called, some may just have had enough of Politics, poor health or age, family commitments As of yesterday, according to a report on Sky News today, 26 MPs had said they intend to stand down at the next general election - 13 Conservatives, 12 Labour and one Plaid Cymru. Between 1979 and 2019, an average of 85 MPs stood down at each election. 2010 holds the record with 149 MPs deciding not to continue pursuing a parliamentary career. 1997 is close behind, with 117 MPs standing down. Both those years are outliers, and they have three things in common: The first is the redrawing of constituency boundaries affecting the chances of success of several MPs The second is the elections took place after one party had been in government for more than a decade The third is they took place after a period of economic turmoil, which reduced people's standard of living |
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Post by dappy on Dec 5, 2022 13:22:00 GMT
That is to an extent true Handyman.
What is very noticeable (and concerning regardless of party allegiance) is the number of young seemingly upwardly mobile Tories walking away. Not good for our long term democracy.
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