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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 25, 2024 17:48:28 GMT
Ripley, you must surely be aware that the 'duty of cooperation' you speak of is a one way street. French authorities regularly alert British authorities that a dingy full of illegals in French territorial waters and often close to the beach from which they have just set off as the French police wave them bon voyage, requires assistance. Illegals never require assistance in UK waters because the Border Farce/RNLI cross the channel to pick them up in French waters as French authorities look on. That's because it's the policy of the Coast Guard to presume that all migrant vessels in UK waters are in “imminent danger” and require “immediate assistance”. They then task the Border Force (and less often the RNLI) with recovering small boats. I understand the RNLI recently refused to rescue a boat because no people were in the water. I say again - Illegals never require assistance in UK waters because the Border Farce/RNLI cross the channel to pick them up in French waters as French authorities look on. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 25, 2024 17:50:52 GMT
That's because it's the policy of the Coast Guard to presume that all migrant vessels in UK waters are in “imminent danger” and require “immediate assistance”. They then task the Border Force (and less often the RNLI) with recovering small boats. I understand the RNLI recently refused to rescue a boat because no people were in the water. I say again - Illegals never require assistance in UK waters because the Border Farce/RNLI cross the channel to pick them up in French waters as French authorities look on. They're not required to pick anyone up in French waters. They're only responsible for vessels in British territorial waters. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 25, 2024 17:56:21 GMT
I say again - Illegals never require assistance in UK waters because the Border Farce/RNLI cross the channel to pick them up in French waters as French authorities look on. They're not required to pick anyone up in French waters. They're only responsible for vessels in British territorial waters. You are doing to him what you did to me the other day . Not reading the post and or answering a different point. HE NEVER SAID THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PICK ANYONE UP IN FRENCH WATERS . |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 25, 2024 17:56:52 GMT
Having such depraved and inhuman ideas is precisely why Mr Tice and Reform UK will never get anywhere near the raigns of power or government.
Such ludicrous ideas would split society, there would be colossal protests, and rescue parties would be formed to defy any such policy, the idea should simply be ridiculed.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 25, 2024 18:00:57 GMT
They're not required to pick anyone up in French waters. They're only responsible for vessels in British territorial waters. You are doing to him what you did to me the other day . Not reading the post and or answering a different point. HE NEVER SAID THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PICK ANYONE UP IN FRENCH WATERS . I didn't say that he said they were required to do that. I'm questioning why they're doing it when they're not required to. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 25, 2024 18:05:10 GMT
I say again - Illegals never require assistance in UK waters because the Border Farce/RNLI cross the channel to pick them up in French waters as French authorities look on. They're not required to pick anyone up in French waters. They're only responsible for vessels in British territorial waters. Ripley, you are being intentionally obtuse. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 25, 2024 18:07:51 GMT
They're not required to pick anyone up in French waters. They're only responsible for vessels in British territorial waters. Ripley, you are being intentionally obtuse. Perhaps you'd like to explain why they pick up people in French waters when they're not required to. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 25, 2024 18:18:40 GMT
They're not required to pick anyone up in French waters. They're only responsible for vessels in British territorial waters. You are doing to him what you did to me the other day . Not reading the post and or answering a different point. HE NEVER SAID THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PICK ANYONE UP IN FRENCH WATERS . My bad ..I was wrong … |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 25, 2024 18:19:50 GMT
Ripley, you are being intentionally obtuse. Perhaps you'd like to explain why they pick up people in French waters when they're not required to. The government have made no attempt to stop illegals crossing the channel or to stop them entering UK territorial waters, which under international law they are entitled to do. Why are the government allowing hundreds of thousands of foreign criminals to land on English beaches? Because, I suspect that behind closed doors the French and UK government have unofficially agreed that the UK will facilitate cross channel illegals. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 25, 2024 18:24:34 GMT
Perhaps you'd like to explain why they pick up people in French waters when they're not required to. The government have made no attempt to stop illegals crossing the channel or to stop them entering UK territorial waters, which under international law they are entitled to do. Why are the government allowing hundreds of thousands of foreign criminals to land on English beaches? Because, I suspect that behind closed doors the French and UK government have unofficially agreed that the UK will facilitate cross channel illegals. Red ,are you sure that the RNLI pick them up in French waters ? |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 25, 2024 18:25:34 GMT
Perhaps you'd like to explain why they pick up people in French waters when they're not required to. The government have made no attempt to stop illegals crossing the channel or to stop them entering UK territorial waters, which under international law they are entitled to do. Why are the government allowing hundreds of thousands of foreign criminals to land on English beaches? Because, I suspect that behind closed doors the French and UK government have unofficially agreed that the UK will facilitate cross channel illegals. So much for post Brexit sovereignty. This makes absolutely no sense to me. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 25, 2024 19:06:43 GMT
The government have made no attempt to stop illegals crossing the channel or to stop them entering UK territorial waters, which under international law they are entitled to do. Why are the government allowing hundreds of thousands of foreign criminals to land on English beaches? Because, I suspect that behind closed doors the French and UK government have unofficially agreed that the UK will facilitate cross channel illegals. Red ,are you sure that the RNLI pick them up in French waters ? Yes definately. Recently the RNLI (Not Border Farce) were despatched to rescue illegals off Boulogne as the Maritime Gendarmerie looked on. A couple of months ago the RNLI (Not Border Farce) were despatched further up the coast to pick up illegals in the water off Dunkirk. The French coast was ten minutes away, but they were taken to Dover. There are many similar cases going back a few years that show the RNLI do indeed go well into French waters to pick up illegals as the French authorities look on. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 25, 2024 19:09:05 GMT
The government have made no attempt to stop illegals crossing the channel or to stop them entering UK territorial waters, which under international law they are entitled to do. Why are the government allowing hundreds of thousands of foreign criminals to land on English beaches? Because, I suspect that behind closed doors the French and UK government have unofficially agreed that the UK will facilitate cross channel illegals. So much for post Brexit sovereignty. This makes absolutely no sense to me. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 25, 2024 19:13:34 GMT
Ripley, you are being intentionally obtuse. Perhaps you'd like to explain why they pick up people in French waters when they're not required to. AN RNLI crew rescued dozens of migrants from French waters — and brought them to Britain. The lifeboat was called in by the authorities in France after the engine on the migrants' boat failed. It picked up 38 people who restarted their engine but refused to return to France. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 25, 2024 19:14:54 GMT
Asked about this, the RNLI told me: "HM Coastguard and the Irish Coast Guard can request any of our lifeboats to launch to an incident. Our lifeboats operate under international maritime law, which states we are permitted and indeed obligated to enter the waters of other territories for search and rescue purposes... We are not border control and, once a rescue is complete, we hand over responsibility for casualties to UK Border Force and/or the police." 1. Can you say how many times Border Force has accepted responsibility for migrants collected in French territorial waters, in the last year for which you can gather statistics? 2. Can you say whether Border Force first asks the RNLI to contact the French border authorities/police/etc. when it collects migrants in French waters, given they would be the competent authorities in the area? As general background information, I would be grateful if you could explain why it is considered lawful for the RNLI to bring migrants collected in French waters to Britain even though landing sites in France must be closer -- but this is not an essential part of my request. Regards, Yours faithfully, Jack Montgomery www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/re_boat_migrants_collected_by_rn |
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