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Post by witchfinder on Apr 22, 2024 20:49:13 GMT
No actually I dont want to apologise for what happened to white farmers in South Africa, who stole the land in the first place from the indigenous people of South Africa, and who then supported the illegal government of South Africa and a system of apartheid, where the majority were treated as third class citizens and kept in abject poverty. Ok so you are stuck in the past . White farmers are being killed in the present . Maybe we should consider some kind of reprisals from the west over the Barbary pirates . I thought this thread was about the racialy motivated murder of Stephen Lawrence ? But as for a completely different topic ( murder of white farmers in South Africa ), there are both black and white farmers in South Africa, and both are attacked. White supremicist groups have attempted to suggest that white farmers are disproportianally targetet, but the evidence and statistics does not support their claims. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 22, 2024 20:57:19 GMT
Ok so you are stuck in the past . White farmers are being killed in the present . Maybe we should consider some kind of reprisals from the west over the Barbary pirates . I thought this thread was about the racialy motivated murder of Stephen Lawrence ? But as for a completely different topic ( murder of white farmers in South Africa ), there are both black and white farmers in South Africa, and both are attacked. White supremicist groups have attempted to suggest that white farmers are disproportianally targetet, but the evidence and statistics does not support their claims. Until you made t about the Bristol Bus riots of 1963 and how some WHITE people are offended by our history of racial discrimination, including the murder of black people. Well maybe blacks should start apologising for killing white people…maybe they are arseholes too. Why is it white supremacist to point out black peoples systematically kill white people in some places ? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 22, 2024 20:58:16 GMT
Ok so you are stuck in the past . White farmers are being killed in the present . Maybe we should consider some kind of reprisals from the west over the Barbary pirates . I thought this thread was about the racialy motivated murder of Stephen Lawrence ? But as for a completely different topic ( murder of white farmers in South Africa ), there are both black and white farmers in South Africa, and both are attacked. White supremicist groups have attempted to suggest that white farmers are disproportianally targetet, but the evidence and statistics does not support their claims. How many racially motivated murders and rapes, particularly of children, do you think have happened over the past 30 years? Of course as far as the BBC are concerned the vast majority are unnewsworthy because the victims were white. |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 22, 2024 21:12:08 GMT
I thought this thread was about the racialy motivated murder of Stephen Lawrence ? But as for a completely different topic ( murder of white farmers in South Africa ), there are both black and white farmers in South Africa, and both are attacked. White supremicist groups have attempted to suggest that white farmers are disproportianally targetet, but the evidence and statistics does not support their claims. Until you made t about the Bristol Bus riots of 1963 and how some WHITE people are offended by our history of racial discrimination, including the murder of black people. Well maybe blacks should start apologising for killing white people…maybe they are arseholes too. Why is it white supremacist to point out black peoples systematically kill white people in some places ? The Bristol bus boycott was about racism in THIS country, as was the murder of Stephen Lawrence. I was merely pointing out that certain personalities are usually singled out for the purpose of historical context, and for teaching people about the history of racism .... as in the case of Rosa Parks for example. The murder of white people which is racially motivated does happen, I do not deny it, but such instances are extremely miniscule, almost insignificent, as compared to the other way around. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 22, 2024 21:22:10 GMT
Until you made t about the Bristol Bus riots of 1963 and how some WHITE people are offended by our history of racial discrimination, including the murder of black people. Well maybe blacks should start apologising for killing white people…maybe they are arseholes too. Why is it white supremacist to point out black peoples systematically kill white people in some places ? The Bristol bus boycott was about racism in THIS country, as was the murder of Stephen Lawrence. I was merely pointing out that certain personalities are usually singled out for the purpose of historical context, and for teaching people about the history of racism .... as in the case of Rosa Parks for example. The murder of white people which is racially motivated does happen, I do not deny it, but such instances are extremely miniscule, almost insignificent, as compared to the other way around. Rosa Parks was in the US . Blacks murder white farmers in South Africa . African Barbary pirates took slaves in the UK . You are only interested when your chosen victim’s groups and times are involved . Lawrence was a victim of white thugs . I that you know the name of one victim of black thugs . Let alone from that time . You think that white victims of black thugs are ‘extremely miniscule ‘compared with black victims of white thugs ? You live in a dream world . |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 22, 2024 21:27:17 GMT
Until you made t about the Bristol Bus riots of 1963 and how some WHITE people are offended by our history of racial discrimination, including the murder of black people. Well maybe blacks should start apologising for killing white people…maybe they are arseholes too. Why is it white supremacist to point out black peoples systematically kill white people in some places ? The Bristol bus boycott was about racism in THIS country, as was the murder of Stephen Lawrence. I was merely pointing out that certain personalities are usually singled out for the purpose of historical context, and for teaching people about the history of racism .... as in the case of Rosa Parks for example. The murder of white people which is racially motivated does happen, I do not deny it, but such instances are extremely miniscule, almost insignificent, as compared to the other way around. In the UK? |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 22, 2024 21:51:11 GMT
The Bristol bus boycott was about racism in THIS country, as was the murder of Stephen Lawrence. I was merely pointing out that certain personalities are usually singled out for the purpose of historical context, and for teaching people about the history of racism .... as in the case of Rosa Parks for example. The murder of white people which is racially motivated does happen, I do not deny it, but such instances are extremely miniscule, almost insignificent, as compared to the other way around. Rosa Parks was in the US . Blacks murder white farmers in South Africa . African Barbary pirates took slaves in the UK . You are only interested when your chosen victim’s groups and times are involved . Lawrence was a victim of white thugs . I that you know the name of one victim of black thugs . Let alone from that time . You think that white victims of black thugs are ‘extremely miniscule ‘compared with black victims of white thugs ? You live in a dream world . As a British person I am particularly interested in racism in Britain, which is almost entirely, but not exclusively against minorities in this country, particularly against black and Asian people. In more recent times it is Muslims who have been a particular target of hate, but in 20th century history it was initially Jewish people, and then later black people. I am much more interested in racism NOW, today, in modern Britain, not what happened in the 18th and 19th century, so please do not try deflection from the topic at hand. Lets get back to Stephen Lawrence shall we ? |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 22, 2024 21:56:53 GMT
Rosa Parks was in the US . Blacks murder white farmers in South Africa . African Barbary pirates took slaves in the UK . You are only interested when your chosen victim’s groups and times are involved . Lawrence was a victim of white thugs . I that you know the name of one victim of black thugs . Let alone from that time . You think that white victims of black thugs are ‘extremely miniscule ‘compared with black victims of white thugs ? You live in a dream world . As a British person I am particularly interested in racism in Britain, which is almost entirely, but not exclusively against minorities in this country, particularly against black and Asian people. In more recent times it is Muslims who have been a particular target of hate, but in 20th century history it was initially Jewish people, and then later black people. I am much more interested in racism NOW, today, in modern Britain, not what happened in the 18th and 19th century, so please do not try deflection from the topic at hand. Lets get back to Stephen Lawrence shall we ? So you must be interested in the racist lie of white privilege and the other lie that you cannot be racist to white people ? Yes Lawrence was a victim of white thugs just as there were white victims of black thugs . His mother made a career out of her dead son .His father didn’t . That and the not unusual police incompetence just about sums it up. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 22, 2024 22:30:23 GMT
As a British person I am particularly interested in racism in Britain, which is almost entirely, but not exclusively against minorities in this country, particularly against black and Asian people. In more recent times it is Muslims who have been a particular target of hate, but in 20th century history it was initially Jewish people, and then later black people. I am much more interested in racism NOW, today, in modern Britain, not what happened in the 18th and 19th century, so please do not try deflection from the topic at hand. Lets get back to Stephen Lawrence shall we ? You may be British, but your left wing ignorance shines through. Have you ever been to an Islamic country? Btw I'm not talking about a fortnight in Marmaris. Yes of course it's a rhetorical question because if you had been to an Islamic country you would know how intolerant Islam is of infidels. And while we're chatting about Muslims, can you furnish me with the details of just 1 child raping grooming gang in this country who over the past 30 or 40 years were charged with type 1 CSE (Child sexual exploitation) offences, who were not made up entirely or predominantly of 'men of Pakistani heritage', a description used by the courts. How many racially motivated murders and rapes in which the victims were white do you think have happened over the past 30 years since Stephen Lawrence was murdered, in-fact since we have had mass immigration forced upon us. LOL, yes I know, who would record such racist data. Indeed I seem to remember the EU 'ordering' the British press not to identify when criminals were Muslims. Perish the thought the hoi polloi should know the truth about immigrant crime, the figures of which are supressed. However, you were talking about something that happened a generation ago, oh yes, the murder of Saint Stephen, who the BBC are of course still talking about. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 22, 2024 23:10:40 GMT
It certainly eclipses by far any efforts made by the police to pursue and prosecute the members of the Asian gang who murdered Gavin Hopley in 2002. But then of course Gavin was white, as was Christopher Yates so, strictly speaking, they don’t really count." And the Asian gang who tortured, butchered and murdered Kriss Donald. Kriss was kidnapped off the street by evil Imran Shahid and his gang. He had been walking to a pal’s house when he was snatched in Pollokshields, Glasgow, and forced into the rear footwell of a motor. The lad was taken to Strathclyde Park in Motherwell and then onto Dundee before returning to the east end of Glasgow in a terrifying 200-mile round trip. He was stabbed 13 times, hitting three arteries, a lung, his kidneys, and liver. Kriss was burned alive as he bled to death. Sort of puts the murder of Saint Stephen Lawrence into perspective. So - no Kriss Donald day then. Kriss Donald was murdered in 2004. Some of his assailants were tried and convicted. The other assailants were pursued to Pakistan, but all trials and convictions were over by the end of 2006. Time from murder to convictions two years. Stephen Lawrence was murdered in 1993. Because of the “initial failings” by police, his killers weren’t convicted until 2012. Time from murder to convictions was 19 years. Kriss Donald’s murder was brutal and callous, and the Police and others are to be congratulated for all their efforts in the UK and Pakistan to get justice. Stephen Lawrence’s family, and others concerned with justice, have no reason to believe the Police did their jobs correctly, or that justice has been achieved… |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 23, 2024 7:28:33 GMT
And the Asian gang who tortured, butchered and murdered Kriss Donald. Kriss was kidnapped off the street by evil Imran Shahid and his gang. He had been walking to a pal’s house when he was snatched in Pollokshields, Glasgow, and forced into the rear footwell of a motor. The lad was taken to Strathclyde Park in Motherwell and then onto Dundee before returning to the east end of Glasgow in a terrifying 200-mile round trip. He was stabbed 13 times, hitting three arteries, a lung, his kidneys, and liver. Kriss was burned alive as he bled to death. Sort of puts the murder of Saint Stephen Lawrence into perspective. So - no Kriss Donald day then. Kriss Donald was murdered in 2004. Some of his assailants were tried and convicted. The other assailants were pursued to Pakistan, but all trials and convictions were over by the end of 2006. Time from murder to convictions two years. Stephen Lawrence was murdered in 1993. Because of the “initial failings” by police, his killers weren’t convicted until 2012. Time from murder to convictions was 19 years. Kriss Donald’s murder was brutal and callous, and the Police and others are to be congratulated for all their efforts in the UK and Pakistan to get justice. Stephen Lawrence’s family, and others concerned with justice, have no reason to believe the Police did their jobs correctly, or that justice has been achieved… His 'killers' were not convicted until 2012 because Mrs Lawrence took out a private prosecution against police advice as the evidence was weak . The double jeopardy rules meant that was the end of any meaningful investigation . It took years to get the convictions because after that trial there had to be internal inquiry and then a public enquiry which resulted in the 'institutionally racist' tag being placed on the Metropolitan Police force ,the worst result for policing in our capital which IMO restricted the powers of law and order and rightly or wrongly did more harm than good . The law then had to be changed regarding double jeopardy . This all takes time and only after those laws had been changed was it possible to review the case In light of new evidence then obtained , evidence that had it not been for the private prosecution may have been exposed or revealed years earlier that new trials were set for the offenders . Had the Lawrence family not taken out the private prosecution which undermined any further police investigation and set in motion the never ending enquiries Im sure that today we would all be in a better place with regard policing in London |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 23, 2024 7:56:58 GMT
The Bristol bus boycott was about racism in THIS country, as was the murder of Stephen Lawrence. I was merely pointing out that certain personalities are usually singled out for the purpose of historical context, and for teaching people about the history of racism .... as in the case of Rosa Parks for example. The murder of white people which is racially motivated does happen, I do not deny it, but such instances are extremely miniscule, almost insignificent, as compared to the other way around. The official statistics on Race and the Criminal Justice System, the so-called Section 95 reports, show that white people are significantly under-represented as perpetrators of inter-racial homicides, compared to blacks, Asians and 'others'.
On what data are you basing your claim?
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Post by ginnyg2 on Apr 23, 2024 8:00:22 GMT
"Had the Lawrence family not taken out the private prosecution which undermined any further police investigation and set in motion the never ending enquiries Im sure that today we would all be in a better place with regard policing in London." Exactly.
Any parents of white people murdered by ethnics ever received a baronetcy? No, I didn't think so.
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Post by see2 on Apr 23, 2024 9:09:03 GMT
As a British person I am particularly interested in racism in Britain, which is almost entirely, but not exclusively against minorities in this country, particularly against black and Asian people. In more recent times it is Muslims who have been a particular target of hate, but in 20th century history it was initially Jewish people, and then later black people. I am much more interested in racism NOW, today, in modern Britain, not what happened in the 18th and 19th century, so please do not try deflection from the topic at hand. Lets get back to Stephen Lawrence shall we ? So you must be interested in the racist lie of white privilege and the other lie that you cannot be racist to white people ? Yes Lawrence was a victim of white thugs just as there were white victims of black thugs . His mother made a career out of her dead son .His father didn’t . That and the not unusual police incompetence just about sums it up. NO, police incompetence made Lawrence's death into an issue that won't go away. His mother is just standing up for the truth about her son's death. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 23, 2024 9:10:00 GMT
So you must be interested in the racist lie of white privilege and the other lie that you cannot be racist to white people ? Yes Lawrence was a victim of white thugs just as there were white victims of black thugs . His mother made a career out of her dead son .His father didn’t . That and the not unusual police incompetence just about sums it up. NO, police incompetence made Lawrence's death into an issue that won't go away. His mother is just standing up for the truth about her son's death. And made a career out of it. |
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