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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2024 16:33:34 GMT
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak gave major speech in London on welfare reform as benefits bill ‘reaches £69billion’
Since 2020, the number of people out of work due to long-term sickness has risen significantly, reaching a record high of 2.8 million people as of February 2024, and most of them are young people in their 20's who are far more likely to be off sick than people in their 40's and older. Sunak said "enough is enough" as he promised to tackle "skyrocketing" benefits spending. A large proportion of those report suffering from depression, bad nerves or anxiety, although most of those report these as secondary conditions rather than the main one keeping them out of work www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-sick-note-culture-work-benefits-london-speech-b1152502.htmlMental health problems? It's the new bad back isn't it. Some people need a kick up the arse.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 19, 2024 16:49:43 GMT
More vocational training and trade union uptake . It wouldn’t cure it but it would help.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2024 17:16:04 GMT
More vocational training and trade union uptake . It wouldn’t cure it but it would help. How would vocational training and joining a trade union help? I'm not suggesting it wouldn't btw, I'm just curious to hear how you think it would help. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 19, 2024 17:46:59 GMT
More vocational training and trade union uptake . It wouldn’t cure it but it would help. How would vocational training and joining a trade union help? I'm not suggesting it wouldn't btw, I'm just curious to hear how you think it would help. Because skilled jobs are a lot more interesting than non skilled jobs and trade unions help stop employers and senior colleagues bullying employees..in my experience. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2024 18:16:51 GMT
How would vocational training and joining a trade union help? I'm not suggesting it wouldn't btw, I'm just curious to hear how you think it would help. Because skilled jobs are a lot more interesting than non skilled jobs and trade unions help stop employers and senior colleagues bullying employees..in my experience. I'm not sure about that, I think there are skilled jobs that people find boring, and unskilled jobs that people are happy with, people are different. I didn't enter the civvy workforce until late in life and rapidly became heavily involved with the trade union movement, indeed I was branch secretary for a while, but for whatever reasons I became disillusioned with it. For the record, I'm not clever, for the most part I drove large plant machines which was considered to be skilled manual. And I've had a few fall outs with bullying managers, oddly enough they weren't bullying me but I've always been a mug for sticking up for little people. Am I comming across a bit too Smashy & Nicey, lol. I'll shut me gob. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 19, 2024 18:32:38 GMT
How would vocational training and joining a trade union help? I'm not suggesting it wouldn't btw, I'm just curious to hear how you think it would help. Because skilled jobs are a lot more interesting than non skilled jobs and trade unions help stop employers and senior colleagues bullying employees..in my experience. In a competitive market trade unions are redundant. As an employee you make sure your own work is top-notch. If the firm gives you trouble then you ask them to fix it. You say, I don't like this arrangement and if forced then I will probably leave and work for your competitors. Your bargaining power on that score is directly related to how good your work is. Indeed an employer in a competitive market knows all this anyway and makes sure it never gets to that stage. The reason jobs at Amazon reflect working in a prison is simply because they are not operating in a competitive market. They don't pay tax for one thing. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 19, 2024 18:54:02 GMT
Because skilled jobs are a lot more interesting than non skilled jobs and trade unions help stop employers and senior colleagues bullying employees..in my experience. In a competitive market trade unions are redundant. As an employee you make sure your own work is top-notch. If the firm gives you trouble then you ask them to fix it. You say, I don't like this arrangement and if forced then I will probably leave and work for your competitors. Your bargaining power on that score is directly related to how good your work is. Indeed an employer in a competitive market knows all this anyway and makes sure it never gets to that stage. The reason jobs at Amazon reflect working in a prison is simply because they are not operating in a competitive market. They don't pay tax for one thing. Nonsense. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 19, 2024 18:58:11 GMT
Because skilled jobs are a lot more interesting than non skilled jobs and trade unions help stop employers and senior colleagues bullying employees..in my experience. I'm not sure about that, I think there are skilled jobs that people find boring, and unskilled jobs that people are happy with, people are different. I didn't enter the civvy workforce until late in life and rapidly became heavily involved with the trade union movement, indeed I was branch secretary for a while, but for whatever reasons I became disillusioned with it. For the record, I'm not clever, for the most part I drove large plant machines which was considered to be skilled manual. And I've had a few fall outs with bullying managers, oddly enough they weren't bullying me but I've always been a mug for sticking up for little people. Am I comming across a bit too Smashy & Nicey, lol. I'll shut me gob. If you think skilled jobs are boring you should try some menial ones and of course not all skilled jobs suit all people . Unions make a lot of difference a lot if the time ..but…unions are only as good as the unit/ shop or what we would call the chapel. However unions do help with civil matters and employment law . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2024 19:03:38 GMT
In a competitive market trade unions are redundant. As an employee you make sure your own work is top-notch. If the firm gives you trouble then you ask them to fix it. You say, I don't like this arrangement and if forced then I will probably leave and work for your competitors. Your bargaining power on that score is directly related to how good your work is. Indeed an employer in a competitive market knows all this anyway and makes sure it never gets to that stage. The reason jobs at Amazon reflect working in a prison is simply because they are not operating in a competitive market. They don't pay tax for one thing. I always said, one thing that will ensure the survival of trade unions are bad employers. But I was wrong. Thanks to the gig economy and mass immigration there has never been a better time to be a bad employer and even with a Labour government that's not going to change. The reason companies like Amazon, Boo Hoo, Sports Direct etc, make a fortune is not because of the lack of trade union representation, it's because there is a massive glut of low skilled labour in the workplace which keeps shop floor pay down. This is why employers like the aforementioned companies support mass immigration. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 19, 2024 19:10:00 GMT
Vehicle recovery companies do little to stop breakdowns but the drivers that join are better off when they break down .
Unions are not the answer but they are a part of it .
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2024 19:21:47 GMT
I'm not sure about that, I think there are skilled jobs that people find boring, and unskilled jobs that people are happy with, people are different. I didn't enter the civvy workforce until late in life and rapidly became heavily involved with the trade union movement, indeed I was branch secretary for a while, but for whatever reasons I became disillusioned with it. For the record, I'm not clever, for the most part I drove large plant machines which was considered to be skilled manual. And I've had a few fall outs with bullying managers, oddly enough they weren't bullying me but I've always been a mug for sticking up for little people. Am I comming across a bit too Smashy & Nicey, lol. I'll shut me gob. If you think skilled jobs are boring you should try some menial ones and of course not all skilled jobs suit all people . Unions make a lot of difference a lot if the time ..but…unions are only as good as the unit/ shop or what we would call the chapel. However unions do help with civil matters and employment law . No, you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say skilled jobs are boring. I said I think there are skilled jobs that people find boring, and unskilled jobs that people are happy with and in my experience that's accurate. Whether a job is boring or not depends on the individual. We used to employ a chap to clean the machines, dozers excavators & shovels (With a pressure washer, not by hand) It's not a job I would have enjoyed but he absolutely loved it, he never moaned he was always cheerful and he did a good job. Some people may say it was a menial job, but we saw him as an asset. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 19, 2024 19:28:38 GMT
If you think skilled jobs are boring you should try some menial ones and of course not all skilled jobs suit all people . Unions make a lot of difference a lot if the time ..but…unions are only as good as the unit/ shop or what we would call the chapel. However unions do help with civil matters and employment law . No, you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say skilled jobs are boring. I said I think there are skilled jobs that people find boring, and unskilled jobs that people are happy with and in my experience that's accurate. Whether a job is boring or not depends on the individual. We used to employ a chap to clean the machines, dozers excavators & shovels (With a pressure washer, not by hand) It's not a job I would have enjoyed but he absolutely loved it, he never moaned he was always cheerful and he did a good job. Some people may say it was a menial job, but we saw him as an asset. Ok. If you think some skilled jobs are boring you should try some menial ones. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 19, 2024 19:35:06 GMT
In a competitive market trade unions are redundant. As an employee you make sure your own work is top-notch. If the firm gives you trouble then you ask them to fix it. You say, I don't like this arrangement and if forced then I will probably leave and work for your competitors. Your bargaining power on that score is directly related to how good your work is. Indeed an employer in a competitive market knows all this anyway and makes sure it never gets to that stage. The reason jobs at Amazon reflect working in a prison is simply because they are not operating in a competitive market. They don't pay tax for one thing. I always said, one thing that will ensure the survival of trade unions are bad employers. But I was wrong. Thanks to the gig economy and mass immigration there has never been a better time to be a bad employer and even with a Labour government that's not going to change. The reason companies like Amazon, Boo Hoo, Sports Direct etc, make a fortune is not because of the lack of trade union representation, it's because there is a massive glut of low skilled labour in the workplace which keeps shop floor pay down. This is why employers like the aforementioned companies support mass immigration. It is because the dole forces them to apply for these jobs. A firm like that would look pretty damn stupid without any staff. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2024 19:35:52 GMT
Vehicle recovery companies do little to stop breakdowns but the drivers that join are better off when they break down . Unions are not the answer but they are a part of it . I was a member of the ISTC (Iron and Steel Trades Confederation) for two or three years. It folded years ago. I was interested in helping people who needed help, and I spent a lot of time driving around during the evenings to see people, to help form fill and offer advice, and I spoke at industrial tribunals in Birmingham. I quite enjoyed it, but unfortunately the union officers in my opinion, were too militant, they were always looking for a fight and I got bored with it so I moved on. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 19, 2024 19:36:10 GMT
In a competitive market trade unions are redundant. As an employee you make sure your own work is top-notch. If the firm gives you trouble then you ask them to fix it. You say, I don't like this arrangement and if forced then I will probably leave and work for your competitors. Your bargaining power on that score is directly related to how good your work is. Indeed an employer in a competitive market knows all this anyway and makes sure it never gets to that stage. The reason jobs at Amazon reflect working in a prison is simply because they are not operating in a competitive market. They don't pay tax for one thing. Nonsense. I know you are full of nonsense. You don't have to remind me. |
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