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Post by Bentley on Apr 26, 2024 21:27:39 GMT
If you can't see the impact that chemicals and litheum have on the planet BVL maybe you should read up on the subject rather than act like a flagpole for the chinese. You just don't keep up with developments in the East. For a start the bitch about the range is fast fading into history since to give an example, the Huawei M9 just out can do 630km. Also the bitch about cold temperatures is being sorted, and finally the bitch about lithium can be countered with the new sodium batteries. They are in fact a lot cheaper as well so the bitch about price is no longer a valid bitch.
The thing is in my view the Brits are looking pretty stupid if all they can do is moan when the Chinese are rapidly developing the technology. We stand to get left way behind. Mind you our country does not own any major car manufacturer, which is just as well because those ICE production lines will be white elephants. Anyone who has to pay off still for those is going to be at a competitive disadvantage agaisnt those who go straight into EV manufacture. It's a fiercely competitive market and I hear the response of the US plus slave Britain and likely the EU as well is a to go for protectionist measures, which will screw us even further. Without competitive pressure we stand to end up as backwards as the soviet union was when it practised protectionism.
Our best bet to be frank with you is do what Lotus do. They partner with a large mass production firm in China. Lotus have the cool tech and their Chinese partners have excellent manufacturing skills, so they are one of the few examples where production is up. You see once you partner with a respectable Chinese firm you get to sell loads of cars in China. They love the cars. Chinese like the cool British classic designs. Anyway of course some firms can choose not to but I think there is going to be some serious bankruptcies across Europe. NB this was one main reason why they said we should have stayed in the EU, but I can't see a future for the EU car manufacturers, especially if they get protectionist. The UK is free to do a free trade deal with China and get building.
Pointing out real problems isn’t bitching but calling it bitching is bitchy . Come back when they are Demonstrably solved and available for purchase . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 26, 2024 21:46:13 GMT
You just don't keep up with developments in the East. For a start the bitch about the range is fast fading into history since to give an example, the Huawei M9 just out can do 630km. Also the bitch about cold temperatures is being sorted, and finally the bitch about lithium can be countered with the new sodium batteries. They are in fact a lot cheaper as well so the bitch about price is no longer a valid bitch.
The thing is in my view the Brits are looking pretty stupid if all they can do is moan when the Chinese are rapidly developing the technology. We stand to get left way behind. Mind you our country does not own any major car manufacturer, which is just as well because those ICE production lines will be white elephants. Anyone who has to pay off still for those is going to be at a competitive disadvantage agaisnt those who go straight into EV manufacture. It's a fiercely competitive market and I hear the response of the US plus slave Britain and likely the EU as well is a to go for protectionist measures, which will screw us even further. Without competitive pressure we stand to end up as backwards as the soviet union was when it practised protectionism.
Our best bet to be frank with you is do what Lotus do. They partner with a large mass production firm in China. Lotus have the cool tech and their Chinese partners have excellent manufacturing skills, so they are one of the few examples where production is up. You see once you partner with a respectable Chinese firm you get to sell loads of cars in China. They love the cars. Chinese like the cool British classic designs. Anyway of course some firms can choose not to but I think there is going to be some serious bankruptcies across Europe. NB this was one main reason why they said we should have stayed in the EU, but I can't see a future for the EU car manufacturers, especially if they get protectionist. The UK is free to do a free trade deal with China and get building.
Pointing out real problems isn’t bitching but calling it bitching is bitchy . Come back when they are Demonstrably solved and available for purchase . I get up to date news from China on the EV market as it is one of my pet interests. I'm not interested in it because I'm trying to sell you all EVs, but from a business point of view and how that will affect the EU and the UK. You see for every car that is sold that is made here, you don't just have a load of car factories, but a whole pyramid of suppliers. You have all these specialist engineering firms and then you have the people who supply them. It would create a domino effect if these firms are just above water, like getting a 20% knock to their business might bankrupt them.
The problem for the UK is two-fold. One the one hand the workforce is poorly educated and lazy, plus the general inefficiencies when running a firm in the UK like train strikes and god knows what else, but at the other end the China move at amazing speeds. I've never seen anything like it. They are giving the Germans a run for their money and I respect German engineering as it is one of the best. Not only that but we have the bloody Indians running our car firms. Have you seen how utterly shit the new Jaguars are performing? They are ruining them.
Anyway, latest news from China is so far 40 different models of car in China have passed their driving test. All self-driving cars need to do their test before they are licensed to use the road and there are that many ready to hit the streets.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 26, 2024 21:53:37 GMT
Pointing out real problems isn’t bitching but calling it bitching is bitchy . Come back when they are Demonstrably solved and available for purchase . I get up to date news from China on the EV market as it is one of my pet interests. I'm not interested in it because I'm trying to sell you all EVs, but from a business point of view and how that will affect the EU and the UK. You see for every car that is sold that is made here, you don't just have a load of car factories, but a whole pyramid of suppliers. You have all these specialist engineering firms and then you have the people who supply them. It would create a domino effect if these firms are just above water, like getting a 20% knock to their business might bankrupt them.
The problem for the UK is two-fold. One the one hand the workforce is poorly educated and lazy, plus the general inefficiencies when running a firm in the UK like train strikes and god knows what else, but at the other end the China move at amazing speeds. I've never seen anything like it. They are giving the Germans a run for their money and I respect German engineering as it is one of the best. Not only that but we have the bloody Indians running our car firms. Have you seen how utterly shit the new Jaguars are performing? They are ruining them.
Anyway, latest news from China is so far 40 different models of car in China have passed their driving test. All self-driving cars need to do their test before they are licensed to use the road and there are that many ready to hit the streets.
I’m sure you get lots of things from China but until EVs are available to buy that are worth buying , I’ll file the it all under wishful thinking. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 26, 2024 22:05:15 GMT
I get up to date news from China on the EV market as it is one of my pet interests. I'm not interested in it because I'm trying to sell you all EVs, but from a business point of view and how that will affect the EU and the UK. You see for every car that is sold that is made here, you don't just have a load of car factories, but a whole pyramid of suppliers. You have all these specialist engineering firms and then you have the people who supply them. It would create a domino effect if these firms are just above water, like getting a 20% knock to their business might bankrupt them.
The problem for the UK is two-fold. One the one hand the workforce is poorly educated and lazy, plus the general inefficiencies when running a firm in the UK like train strikes and god knows what else, but at the other end the China move at amazing speeds. I've never seen anything like it. They are giving the Germans a run for their money and I respect German engineering as it is one of the best. Not only that but we have the bloody Indians running our car firms. Have you seen how utterly shit the new Jaguars are performing? They are ruining them.
Anyway, latest news from China is so far 40 different models of car in China have passed their driving test. All self-driving cars need to do their test before they are licensed to use the road and there are that many ready to hit the streets.
I’m sure you get lots of things from China but until EVs are available to buy that are worth buying , I’ll file the it all under wishful thinking. They are far more worth it in China for many reasons. As they come here so the middleman puts fat commissions on them, and in China there are millions of places to charge and the leccy is 7p/unit. They have it all sussed out, indeed a bit like how the Japs do stuff. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 26, 2024 22:44:19 GMT
I’m sure you get lots of things from China but until EVs are available to buy that are worth buying , I’ll file the it all under wishful thinking. They are far more worth it in China for many reasons. As they come here so the middleman puts fat commissions on them, and in China there are millions of places to charge and the leccy is 7p/unit. They have it all sussed out, indeed a bit like how the Japs do stuff. I’ll believe that when the super Chinese EVs are reality. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 26, 2024 23:03:31 GMT
They are far more worth it in China for many reasons. As they come here so the middleman puts fat commissions on them, and in China there are millions of places to charge and the leccy is 7p/unit. They have it all sussed out, indeed a bit like how the Japs do stuff. I’ll believe that when the super Chinese EVs are reality. They have had robo taxis working for a few years now. I watched it do a whole journey and it was brilliant. Now this is the final stage where it goes mass market. The robo taxi I saw was a company prototype. It was available to staff at the firm I think, but now the legal stuff is in place so it will all change. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 27, 2024 9:13:03 GMT
Yes, but as I said, the manufacturers WLTP range test drives the vehicle at 28 km/h on a flat track until it stops, and this bears zero relevance to actual use
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Post by Bentley on Apr 27, 2024 10:33:54 GMT
I’ll believe that when the super Chinese EVs are reality. They have had robo taxis working for a few years now. I watched it do a whole journey and it was brilliant. Now this is the final stage where it goes mass market. The robo taxi I saw was a company prototype. It was available to staff at the firm I think, but now the legal stuff is in place so it will all change. I’ll believe all that when I see it here , not on Chinese propaganda YouTube sites . I don’t care one jot about how wonderful the Chinese are or how much you love them . I only care about what is available to us when it is available. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 27, 2024 10:40:08 GMT
They have had robo taxis working for a few years now. I watched it do a whole journey and it was brilliant. Now this is the final stage where it goes mass market. The robo taxi I saw was a company prototype. It was available to staff at the firm I think, but now the legal stuff is in place so it will all change. I’ll believe all that when I see it here , not on Chinese propaganda YouTube sites . I don’t care one jot about how wonderful the Chinese are or how much you love them . I only care about what is available to us when it is available. It was just a review. Some journalist did what anyone would who wanted a taxi. Ask it to open the door, get in, tell it where you want to go and it drops you off on that exact spot. Are you trying to tell me this is a lie?
Show me a Brit car that can do the same or shut up with your bullshit.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 27, 2024 11:56:38 GMT
I’ll believe all that when I see it here , not on Chinese propaganda YouTube sites . I don’t care one jot about how wonderful the Chinese are or how much you love them . I only care about what is available to us when it is available. It was just a review. Some journalist did what anyone would who wanted a taxi. Ask it to open the door, get in, tell it where you want to go and it drops you off on that exact spot. Are you trying to tell me this is a lie?
Show me a Brit car that can do the same or shut up with your bullshit.
It’s not my bullshit , it’s yours . Everytime anyone posts anything you pop up with your China fetish . When I post that I’m not interested you just ignore it and post more bollocks about what you think you know about China . You can post anything you want about a place that you have never visited with the only knowledge that you have coming from China bots and YouTube but if you post it as an response to my posts then I’ll respond accordingly. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 27, 2024 12:05:22 GMT
It was just a review. Some journalist did what anyone would who wanted a taxi. Ask it to open the door, get in, tell it where you want to go and it drops you off on that exact spot. Are you trying to tell me this is a lie?
Show me a Brit car that can do the same or shut up with your bullshit.
It’s not my bullshit , it’s yours . Everytime anyone posts anything you pop up with your China fetish . When I post that I’m not interested you just ignore it and post more bollocks about what you think you know about China . You can post anything you want about a place that you have never visited with the only knowledge that you have coming from China bots and YouTube but if you post it as an response to my posts then I’ll respond accordingly. Self-driving cars are a reality in China. We are the backward ones and no amount of bullshit is going to convince me otherwise until I see it with my own eyes. All I see in this country is argument and failure. Why should I have any interest in these petty children's silly squabbles about trivia. That's all I get on the BBC these days. Nothing of any substance is happening in the UK. I like technology so I look in China to see the latest inventions. Today for example I was learning how an optical AI chip parallel processes computation through light interference patterns. Show me optical AI chips I can look at in the UK and I will be interested in that. We just don't see it. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 27, 2024 12:10:59 GMT
It’s not my bullshit , it’s yours . Everytime anyone posts anything you pop up with your China fetish . When I post that I’m not interested you just ignore it and post more bollocks about what you think you know about China . You can post anything you want about a place that you have never visited with the only knowledge that you have coming from China bots and YouTube but if you post it as an response to my posts then I’ll respond accordingly. Self-driving cars are a reality in China. We are the backward ones and no amount of bullshit is going to convince me otherwise until I see it with my own eyes. All I see in this country is argument and failure. Why should I have any interest in these petty children's silly squabbles about trivia. That's all I get on the BBC these days. Nothing of any substance is happening in the UK. I like technology so I look in China to see the latest inventions. Today for example I was learning how an optical AI chip parallel processes computation through light interference patterns. Show me optical AI chips I can look at in the UK and I will be interested in that. We just don't see it. So instead of backing off , you post more Chinese propaganda. My friend has a self driving car that can fly that he made in his garage . He’s one is better than the Chinese . I know cos he told me . See I can do that . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 27, 2024 13:17:38 GMT
Self-driving cars are a reality in China. We are the backward ones and no amount of bullshit is going to convince me otherwise until I see it with my own eyes. All I see in this country is argument and failure. Why should I have any interest in these petty children's silly squabbles about trivia. That's all I get on the BBC these days. Nothing of any substance is happening in the UK. I like technology so I look in China to see the latest inventions. Today for example I was learning how an optical AI chip parallel processes computation through light interference patterns. Show me optical AI chips I can look at in the UK and I will be interested in that. We just don't see it. So instead of backing off , you post more Chinese propaganda. My friend has a self driving car that can fly that he made in his garage . He’s one is better than the Chinese . I know cos he told me . See I can do that . You are just resorting to childishness now. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 27, 2024 13:46:41 GMT
So instead of backing off , you post more Chinese propaganda. My friend has a self driving car that can fly that he made in his garage . He’s one is better than the Chinese . I know cos he told me . See I can do that . You are just resorting to childishness now. You started it. |
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