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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 17, 2024 12:35:13 GMT
Has anyone studied genetic AI? The concept is very easy to understand because it is a direct analogy to how life works and survival of the fittest. All we do for genetic AI is instead of dealing with the survival of organisms we switch organism for an algorithm. An algorithm is a method of computation. It take a problem as its input and outputs an answer to the problem. To test the fittest algorithm we just test the algorithm's ability to compute the right answer. For the first generation of algorithms we just make them completely random. That's similar in performance to an algorithm that makes a blind guess. However some of these random first generation algorithms will by chance be better than blind guess. We take the best algorithms and we breed them and then repeat the process for many generations.
In our society the same has been happening since the time dot. Take the wheel for example. To start with we try a whole load of random things. Will a rock work? Will a log from a tree work, is it better to use a fat log rather than a thin log. We must have tested all these solutions and found the best one was the round one. No one told us. We had to try them out.
Now for this process to work we need communication. We being say the second generation of wheel developer need to know about the results of the first generation of experiments. Now this is the problem. We don't need to really know about the failures. All we really need to know about is the top 10 or 20 types of first generation wheel that showed promising results so we can combine the best ideas into the second generation wheels.
Fast forward to 2024 and here is our problem. Our communication comes via the media. The media although once used to perform this function by making known the best and latest designs of wheel, are now showing us the worst designs of wheel and failing to report the successful ones. Can you see how there is only one way this could possibly go? Our love of disaster will translate to our love of failure. We will never hear reported how the bridge was built that withstood the hurricane when every other structure was blown to bits. We will only learn how the shit ones were made.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 17, 2024 14:01:57 GMT
Has anyone studied genetic AI? The concept is very easy to understand because it is a direct analogy to how life works and survival of the fittest. All we do for genetic AI is instead of dealing with the survival of organisms we switch organism for an algorithm. An algorithm is a method of computation. It take a problem as its input and outputs an answer to the problem. To test the fittest algorithm we just test the algorithm's ability to compute the right answer. For the first generation of algorithms we just make them completely random. That's similar in performance to an algorithm that makes a blind guess. However some of these random first generation algorithms will by chance be better than blind guess. We take the best algorithms and we breed them and then repeat the process for many generations.
In our society the same has been happening since the time dot. Take the wheel for example. To start with we try a whole load of random things. Will a rock work? Will a log from a tree work, is it better to use a fat log rather than a thin log. We must have tested all these solutions and found the best one was the round one. No one told us. We had to try them out.
Now for this process to work we need communication. We being say the second generation of wheel developer need to know about the results of the first generation of experiments. Now this is the problem. We don't need to really know about the failures. All we really need to know about is the top 10 or 20 types of first generation wheel that showed promising results so we can combine the best ideas into the second generation wheels.
Fast forward to 2024 and here is our problem. Our communication comes via the media. The media although once used to perform this function by making known the best and latest designs of wheel, are now showing us the worst designs of wheel and failing to report the successful ones. Can you see how there is only one way this could possibly go? Our love of disaster will translate to our love of failure. We will never hear reported how the bridge was built that withstood the hurricane when every other structure was blown to bits. We will only learn how the shit ones were made.
You must be wrong, our diversity has increased many fold and is increasing more, that is a sure fire way to be successful as a nation, every other theory must surely be just chaff. Success must be just round the corner if only we keep our heads and keep the diversity we have and seek more. This must be true as it is both stated by politicians and enshrined into law. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 17, 2024 14:11:10 GMT
Googling << newspaper that only reported good news >> got “About 1,290,000,000 results (0.36 seconds)”. Might be worth looking at a few…
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Post by Vinny on Apr 17, 2024 14:49:10 GMT
Maybe outsourcing so much stuff to foreign competition in order to get cheap tat was not such a clever idea after all.
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Post by patman post on Apr 17, 2024 14:58:28 GMT
Maybe outsourcing so much stuff to foreign competition in order to get cheap tat was not such a clever idea after all.a Must admit that always seemed foolhardy to me. Twenty years ago I was working in the London office of an electronics company that was getting its UK-designed equipment manufactured in China. The London company no longer exists… |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 17, 2024 15:06:45 GMT
Maybe outsourcing so much stuff to foreign competition in order to get cheap tat was not such a clever idea after all.a Must admit that always seemed foolhardy to me. Twenty years ago I was working in the London office of an electronics company that was getting its UK-designed equipment manufactured in China. The London company no longer exists… My point exactly, and making a rival richer makes that rival more dangerous. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 17, 2024 15:37:26 GMT
Maybe outsourcing so much stuff to foreign competition in order to get cheap tat was not such a clever idea after all. There is one thing you don't see though with the Far Eastern media, because you never watch it. The whole focus over there is what new inventions have been created and how they did it. They show off the best successes and all those watching see a high benchmark. If you go back to the media of this country circa 1950s you would see the same thing. Watch a 1950s nuclear power documentary and you will see how the nuclear power station works and get an intelligent report. The same goes on over in the Far East today. They get excited about technology. Now look at the British press and you will see it is all the writings of lunatics. We buy from there because the products are better for the money. That's the effect not the cause. The cause is our own stupidity in being too stupid to make good product ourselves. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 17, 2024 15:40:47 GMT
Maybe outsourcing so much stuff to foreign competition in order to get cheap tat was not such a clever idea after all.a Must admit that always seemed foolhardy to me. Twenty years ago I was working in the London office of an electronics company that was getting its UK-designed equipment manufactured in China. The London company no longer exists… That's because China is getting better at designing electronic products than the West these days. They mastered the manufacturing, they mastered the design and now they are mastering the retail and even the banking side of it. We can't go on claiming higher wisdom and let them do the menial work. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 17, 2024 15:41:56 GMT
Point, missed entirely.
Thing is this:
We can and should manufacture things ourselves instead of outsourcing.
We should especially avoid outsourcing to our enemies and becoming dependent on those who would exploit us.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 17, 2024 16:03:58 GMT
Point, missed entirely. Thing is this: We can and should manufacture things ourselves instead of outsourcing. We should especially avoid outsourcing to our enemies and becoming dependent on those who would exploit us. I fully support that attitude. We should manufacture here. Unless we make a start we will never be any good at it ever again, and lose the skills we once had. But before we can do that we have got to have a shake out of all these lefty bullshit university courses on African studies and push the students into some hard science and then we will see some results. We will have to push at every level from the age of 5 and beyond. We should aim to teach every year of school in 2/3 of a year, so by the time they leave university they are shit hot intelligent and are capable of producing the quality. After that we can then sell stuff in China that will be appreciated. |
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Post by borchester on Apr 17, 2024 16:56:26 GMT
Maybe outsourcing so much stuff to foreign competition in order to get cheap tat was not such a clever idea after all.a Must admit that always seemed foolhardy to me. Twenty years ago I was working in the London office of an electronics company that was getting its UK-designed equipment manufactured in China. The London company no longer exists… In my experience that was because the UK company was badly run and relying on the government to solve its problems for it |
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