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Post by Pacifico on Apr 16, 2024 6:34:08 GMT
Most recent poll on rejoining the European Union was published 2 days ago by Omnisis with polling conducted on the 11th and 12th April. Result: Rejoin 50% ... Stay Out 31% ... Dont Know 19% THe last time any poll showed a majority in favour of LEAVE / Stay Out was in 2022, and since that time more than ONE HUNDRED polls by many different organisations have all shown most people would now vote Rejoin. Sooner or later the UK - IS - going to rejoin the European Union because the younger generations are coming into the ascendancy, and the older generation who remember Empire and Commonwealth are dying out. You misunderstand - those polls show a majority in favour of rejoining are doing so on the basis of having the same agreements as we had last time, which will no longer be available. However if you ask the question based on what rules and regulations would be applicable then you never get a majority in favour. In the poll that you cite there is a majority against rejoining on the terms available today. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 16, 2024 7:33:41 GMT
Most recent poll on rejoining the European Union was published 2 days ago by Omnisis with polling conducted on the 11th and 12th April. Result: Rejoin 50% ... Stay Out 31% ... Dont Know 19% THe last time any poll showed a majority in favour of LEAVE / Stay Out was in 2022, and since that time more than ONE HUNDRED polls by many different organisations have all shown most people would now vote Rejoin. Sooner or later the UK - IS - going to rejoin the European Union because the younger generations are coming into the ascendancy, and the older generation who remember Empire and Commonwealth are dying out. You misunderstand - those polls show a majority in favour of rejoining are doing so on the basis of having the same agreements as we had last time, which will no longer be available. However if you ask the question based on what rules and regulations would be applicable then you never get a majority in favour. In the poll that you cite there is a majority against rejoining on the terms available today. |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 16, 2024 7:40:40 GMT
Most recent poll on rejoining the European Union was published 2 days ago by Omnisis with polling conducted on the 11th and 12th April. Result: Rejoin 50% ... Stay Out 31% ... Dont Know 19% THe last time any poll showed a majority in favour of LEAVE / Stay Out was in 2022, and since that time more than ONE HUNDRED polls by many different organisations have all shown most people would now vote Rejoin. Sooner or later the UK - IS - going to rejoin the European Union because the younger generations are coming into the ascendancy, and the older generation who remember Empire and Commonwealth are dying out. You misunderstand - those polls show a majority in favour of rejoining are doing so on the basis of having the same agreements as we had last time, which will no longer be available. However if you ask the question based on what rules and regulations would be applicable then you never get a majority in favour. In the poll that you cite there is a majority against rejoining on the terms available today. As you probably know, there was a huge difference in voting patterns between younger and older people in the 2016 referendum, which was now 8 years ago, and there is an obvious shift in opinion. The real truth is that the younger generations dont have rose tinted spectacles, and do not have visions of Empire and power, they see the real world as it is. Younger generations now reaching middle age like the idea of going to the cash machine, drawing out your Euro's, putting them in your pocket and jumping on a train or plane to mainland Europe without barriers. Many feel the world will be a better place if we unite and co-operate for the good of all, not least our economy and standard of living. Younger generations see Freedom Of Movement as OPPORTUNITY, they are not interested in waving little Union Flags, singing "Land Of Hope and Glory", and they dont view German or French people as enemies. It may not happen for many years, but the writting is on the wall, our place in a united Europe is where we should be, and its going to happen at some point. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2024 8:07:50 GMT
Could the posts that you made that were removed have been construed as racist and / or hate speech? I said "you don't understand our culture". There was nothing hateful. You can't discuss anything with them. They are destroying the free-speech required for a functional democracy. It's why we're effectively in a one-party state. |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 16, 2024 8:10:43 GMT
You misunderstand - those polls show a majority in favour of rejoining are doing so on the basis of having the same agreements as we had last time, which will no longer be available. However if you ask the question based on what rules and regulations would be applicable then you never get a majority in favour. In the poll that you cite there is a majority against rejoining on the terms available today. As you probably know, there was a huge difference in voting patterns between younger and older people in the 2016 referendum, which was now 8 years ago, and there is an obvious shift in opinion. The real truth is that the younger generations dont have rose tinted spectacles, and do not have visions of Empire and power, they see the real world as it is. Younger generations now reaching middle age like the idea of going to the cash machine, drawing out your Euro's, putting them in your pocket and jumping on a train or plane to mainland Europe without barriers. Many feel the world will be a better place if we unite and co-operate for the good of all, not least our economy and standard of living. Younger generations see Freedom Of Movement as OPPORTUNITY, they are not interested in waving little Union Flags, singing "Land Of Hope and Glory", and they dont view German or French people as enemies. It may not happen for many years, but the writting is on the wall, our place in a united Europe is where we should be, and it’s going to happen at some point. You do have a jaundiced view of the reasons people voted to leave,you also exhibit double standards in that you so often label those who voted leave having this or that “ism” and here you are with your ageism,more than a little hypocritical don’t you think? Have you read Pacificos thread on the French complaining about UK fishing waters and them wanting to break regulations? Do you think the French don’t wave their little tricolours and sing the Marseillaise if anything they are far more nationalist than people here. And what is the real world as it is you mention,might that be the one where they spend as little on defence as possible or their armed forces were so inefficient because they were ruined by a clueless politician who was kicked upstairs to greater? things in the corridors of power in Brussels. Cooperation is fine another massive level of bureaucracy and detached from reality as Brussels is would be a return to the mad hatters tea party. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 16, 2024 8:21:32 GMT
I said "you don't understand our culture". There was nothing hateful. Anything you say that hints at 'othering' will be construed as 'hateful'. We are not supposed to notice they are different in any respect, and even if we do, it is forbidden to mention it. We are only allowed to see and refer to difference when it is lauded as positive in that diversity is our strength. Referring to any negative aspect of diversity is hate and the only groups that one is allowed to be 'hateful' about is white people, the English, Brexiteers, the far right. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 16, 2024 8:49:11 GMT
I said "you don't understand our culture". There was nothing hateful. Anything you say that hints at 'othering' will be construed as 'hateful'. We are not supposed to notice they are different in any respect, and even if we do, it is forbidden to mention it. They are just fucking dictators and it is our job to get rid of dictators. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 16, 2024 8:53:39 GMT
I said "you don't understand our culture". There was nothing hateful. You can't discuss anything with them. They are destroying the free-speech required for a functional democracy. It's why we're effectively in a one-party state. Actually it wasn't even a discussion, but rather a light hearted joke that one would only understand with a British sense of humour and intelligence. They lacked all three. The joke was not aimed at them either. It was a joke about British people. It was in effect engaging in standard British cultural norms of telling a joke. They are erasing us. |
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Post by piglet on Apr 16, 2024 9:23:02 GMT
Britain is a frog being slowly boiled, the frog doesnt notice it. Sunak wants to ban smoking for the young, yet we live in a democracy, freedom. If the bill is passed a precedent is set, what other laws can be passed that limit our freedoms?
Wokery is limiting our freedoms, ulez, net zero, unlimited immigration, legal and illegal, none of this has been debated, it just is. Handed down, imposed. The young will see this as normal, it is not, older people will see it for what it is, power for its own sake. Net zero is a joke. Vote in the coming election, there is no choice.
The price of food. Amazing. Big business is making big bucks, our true masters. Soon it will be voting for Sainsburys or Tesco. Oh, and covid, was the foul up deliberate? As if the course of the illness was unknown....not.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2024 9:58:02 GMT
The EU is yesterday's news. People on here still pining for a way back into the hegemonic and bureaucratic empire of regulations dream of sunlit uplands.
I can't see the UK going back into the EU. It's got very little going for it in fact.
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 16, 2024 10:08:15 GMT
The EU is yesterday's news. People on here still pining for a way back into the hegemonic and bureaucratic empire of regulations dream of sunlit uplands. I can't see the UK going back into the EU. It's got very little going for it in fact. It wont stop Europhiles like Starmer and Ed Davey grovelling to them, they'd both put us back in the EU in a heartbeat, because both are out-of-touch with ordinary people, they think the EU is wonderful because it offers so much for 'them', which is all they are interested in.
As for the ordinary people of the UK which they don't care about, the EU offers them feck all.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2024 10:13:36 GMT
The EU is yesterday's news. People on here still pining for a way back into the hegemonic and bureaucratic empire of regulations dream of sunlit uplands. I can't see the UK going back into the EU. It's got very little going for it in fact. It wont stop Europhiles like Starmer and Ed Davey grovelling to them, they'd both put us back in the EU in a heartbeat, because both are out-of-touch with ordinary people, they think the EU is wonderful because it offers so much for 'them', which is all they are interested in.
As for the ordinary people of the UK which they don't care about, the EU offers them feck all.
I would just point them to our export rankings, overtaking France, Netherlands and Japan into fourth place. The service sector was another sector that was supposed to be pulped during the referendum. The CPTPP agreement which I believe kicks in June or July will make for very hard work trying to get back into the EU.  |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 16, 2024 10:16:54 GMT
The EU is yesterday's news. People on here still pining for a way back into the hegemonic and bureaucratic empire of regulations dream of sunlit uplands. I can't see the UK going back into the EU. It's got very little going for it in fact. It wont stop Europhiles like Starmer and Ed Davey grovelling to them, they'd both put us back in the EU in a heartbeat, because both are out-of-touch with ordinary people, they think the EU is wonderful because it offers so much for 'them', which is all they are interested in.
As for the ordinary people of the UK which they don't care about, the EU offers them feck all.
LOL. Keir Starmer hasn't got the balls to say he's pro EU anymore, even though his party overwhelmingly is. He's not taking us anywhere. Ed Davey as leader of the opposition has a better chance... |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 16, 2024 10:20:17 GMT
You misunderstand - those polls show a majority in favour of rejoining are doing so on the basis of having the same agreements as we had last time, which will no longer be available. However if you ask the question based on what rules and regulations would be applicable then you never get a majority in favour. In the poll that you cite there is a majority against rejoining on the terms available today. and? - how does that change the result of the polling? |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 16, 2024 10:21:15 GMT
The reason why Reform UK cannot make any headway in UK politics is two fold (1) We have an unfair voting system (2) Not many people actually support Reform UK Reform UK will never achieve government because more than half the electorate would vote REJOIN if there were to be another EU referendum. Most people are not Xenophobes I guess the very best they could ever achieve would be to become "Dealmakers" or "Kingmakers" in some future hung Parliament. However, if the polls were to be reflected in the Autumn election, and if the Tories are decimated, there could be some kind of realignment of British politics. Mostly agree with what you're saying, however, rejoining the EU would mean signing up to the Euro, which our economy is not compatible with joining (as we have a horrendous deficit), it would mean no rebate, so we'd be paying double what we paid when we were members, and we'd have to join Schengen. There'd be no safeguards. No vetoes. I doubt we'd ever rejoin. |
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