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Post by wapentake on Apr 17, 2024 18:18:29 GMT
Mob rule is lefties vandalising statues, blocking roads and closing down London every weekend, and the reason they do it, every weekend, is because the police are weak. The TSG should be deployed to crack a few lefty heads and encourage disruptive feckless lefties to behave themselves. Wrong, mob rule is anyone who goes beyond what is acceptable or what is reasonable protest or within the law to further their political aims. Mob rule is not restricted to people of the Left, and to suggest so is very far removed from reality Some of the very worst scenes of violence, intimidation and vandalism have taken place at marches or demonstrations by the far right, the BNP, Britain First and the EDL, all well known for seeking confrontation. Yes you’re right in respect of mob rule is wrong by anyone left or right, some time ago you ranted about Hester being a Tory donor so I went on to ask you if Gething should repay the donation made by a convicted person and you never answered,can I ask another question,do you condemn the labour members who said it was right the Belgian mayor should have shut down the venue where Farage and others like Braverman were speaking and furthermore went on to threaten bankrupting a venue owner. Actually do you condemn that Mayors actions?
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 17, 2024 18:48:55 GMT
Wrong, mob rule is anyone who goes beyond what is acceptable or what is reasonable protest or within the law to further their political aims. Mob rule is not restricted to people of the Left, and to suggest so is very far removed from reality Some of the very worst scenes of violence, intimidation and vandalism have taken place at marches or demonstrations by the far right, the BNP, Britain First and the EDL, all well known for seeking confrontation. Yes you’re right in respect of mob rule is wrong by anyone left or right, some time ago you ranted about Hester being a Tory donor so I went on to ask you if Gething should repay the donation made by a convicted person and you never answered,can I ask another question,do you condemn the labour members who said it was right the Belgian mayor should have shut down the venue where Farage and others like Braverman were speaking and furthermore went on to threaten bankrupting a venue owner. Actually do you condemn that Mayors actions? Have you got the wrong poster here ? I cannot remember been involved in any exchange of views about the First Minister of Wales or any donations from convicted criminals. With regards to the Right wing Populists meeting in Brussels - mixed feelings - no it generally is not right to shut down any political meeting simply because you dont agree with the politics, with the exception of any political movement of the extreme who advocate violence, disorder or promotes hateed or divisions in society. On the other hand, after just reading about what happened, there were threats of violence and disruption from Belgian "Anti (that word I cant use) N" groups, and the conference venue had been changed, so perhaps the police and / or local authorities did have genuine concerns. Remember the controversy over allowing Nick Griffin of the BNP to appear on Question Time ?, I argued that it was the right thing to do, but the oxygen of publicity meant that the BNP were exposed that night, their popularity fell away, and where arethey now.
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Post by wapentake on Apr 17, 2024 19:47:06 GMT
Yes you’re right in respect of mob rule is wrong by anyone left or right, some time ago you ranted about Hester being a Tory donor so I went on to ask you if Gething should repay the donation made by a convicted person and you never answered,can I ask another question,do you condemn the labour members who said it was right the Belgian mayor should have shut down the venue where Farage and others like Braverman were speaking and furthermore went on to threaten bankrupting a venue owner. Actually do you condemn that Mayors actions? Have you got the wrong poster here ?I cannot remember been involved in any exchange of views about the First Minister of Wales or any donations from convicted criminals. With regards to the Right wing Populists meeting in Brussels - mixed feelings - no it generally is not right to shut down any political meeting simply because you dont agree with the politics, with the exception of any political movement of the extreme who advocate violence, disorder or promotes hateed or divisions in society. On the other hand, after just reading about what happened, there were threats of violence and disruption from Belgian "Anti (that word I cant use) N" groups, and the conference venue had been changed, so perhaps the police and / or local authorities did have genuine concerns. Remember the controversy over allowing Nick Griffin of the BNP to appear on Question Time ?, I argued that it was the right thing to do, but the oxygen of publicity meant that the BNP were exposed that night, their popularity fell away, and where arethey now. Absolutely not. ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/220870/thread
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 17, 2024 20:21:51 GMT
Have you got the wrong poster here ?I cannot remember been involved in any exchange of views about the First Minister of Wales or any donations from convicted criminals. With regards to the Right wing Populists meeting in Brussels - mixed feelings - no it generally is not right to shut down any political meeting simply because you dont agree with the politics, with the exception of any political movement of the extreme who advocate violence, disorder or promotes hateed or divisions in society. On the other hand, after just reading about what happened, there were threats of violence and disruption from Belgian "Anti (that word I cant use) N" groups, and the conference venue had been changed, so perhaps the police and / or local authorities did have genuine concerns. Remember the controversy over allowing Nick Griffin of the BNP to appear on Question Time ?, I argued that it was the right thing to do, but the oxygen of publicity meant that the BNP were exposed that night, their popularity fell away, and where arethey now. Absolutely not. ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/220870/threadOnce again, I had to read up on the background of this story My personal view on this is that whilst Mr Gething has not broken any rule or law, I think it was wrong to accept the donation knowing that Mr Neal was head of several compaies which had been fined for breaking environmental regulations. As all the donations were properly handled, and declared to both the Electoral Commission and The Senedd, and no legal questions raised, however from a moral point of view, he should not have accepted the donations.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 9:06:37 GMT
Mob rule is not restricted to people of the Left, and to suggest so is very far removed from reality True, it's also Islamist which your lot have tapped into. Those you smear as the right are mostly old Labour supporters who went against NuLabour's corruption. Boris crushed Corbyn at the ballot box by winning over a lot of old Labour voters, who knew Labour would just continue to fk them. This is why Labour relied on a witch hunt as revenge.
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Post by patman post on Apr 18, 2024 10:07:58 GMT
Mob rule is not restricted to people of the Left, and to suggest so is very far removed from reality True, it's also Islamist which your lot have tapped into. Those you smear as the right are mostly old Labour supporters who went against NuLabour's corruption. The Left lie all of the time and in the people's faces. This is because there's so many useful idiots today that they think they can still make up the numbers, using a combination of race-baiting and claims of victimhood.
Boris crushed Corbyn at the ballot box by winning over a lot of old Labour voters, who knew Labour would just continue to fk them. This is why Labour relied on a witch hunt as revenge.
Reactionaries are not confined to either Right or Left or followers or any organisation or religion any more than is the use of misinformation and smears. Leaders who have crushed opponents don’t necessarily have good track records — Boris didn’t need to set the dogs on Corbyn, who had got to lead Labour and by the votes of the Labour Party’s newly-joined young members. Corbyn’s Left-wing student politics was ridiculed and attacked by the Tory press so much that it scared the crap out of the UK’s mostly moderate electorate. The result was he dragged Labour down to an inglorious defeat. I doubt Johnson’s famed charisma played much more than a token part in the 2019 Tory landslide…
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 10:22:07 GMT
Sorry, but I have no idea what you're trying to say. If Corbyn had won we'd be governed by a supporter of Iran, Hamas and the IRA where the Jewish would be blamed for everything to invoke the far-left/backward rabble alliance. We would have even had a mad race-baiting bigot who once stated that she wanted the IRA to defeat the British state running the Home Office. A narrow escape if you asked me. Boris was far from perfect and even went green, but compared to what he was up against he was the only viable option at the time, which normal people agreed with.
The pretendy Corbyn vs Blair was just for show. Corbyn supported Blair, unlike those with more principles who left the party because of his Third Way and anti-English Orwellian fascism, which travelled through the instututions like a virus. Corbyn got a boot up his arse after he failed.
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 18, 2024 10:49:46 GMT
What Labour went through is precisely what the Conservative Party is currently going through, a broad Church is fine, but to stretch it too far means you reach breaking point.
The Labour Party is now fully under the control of "Social Democrats", the moderate Left as opposed to "Socialists", and Starmer has learned from the huge success of Blair how to widen the electoral appeal of the Labour Party to the middle classes, business people, the self employed and at the same time keep Labours principles.
The Tory Party is in a civil war, its been pulled and fought over between traditional Conservatives, one nation Conservatives and the populist Right who play more on culture wars rather than focus on REAL politics.
I find it absolutely alarming that a potential Tory leader has come out and backed Donald Trump for President, a man who would throw Ukraine AND EUROPE to the dogs ( To Russia ), and who has little interest in NATO.
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Post by wapentake on Apr 18, 2024 11:53:05 GMT
What Labour went through is precisely what the Conservative Party is currently going through, a broad Church is fine, but to stretch it too far means you reach breaking point. The Labour Party is now fully under the control of "Social Democrats", the moderate Left as opposed to "Socialists", and Starmer has learned from the huge success of Blair how to widen the electoral appeal of the Labour Party to the middle classes, business people, the self employed and at the same time keep Labours principles. The Tory Party is in a civil war, its been pulled and fought over between traditional Conservatives, one nation Conservatives and the populist Right who play more on culture wars rather than focus on REAL politics. I find it absolutely alarming that a potential Tory leader has come out and backed Donald Trump for President, a man who would throw Ukraine AND EUROPE to the dogs ( To Russia ), and who has little interest in NATO. Are you having a laugh,the success of Blair? who is now Britains most hated politician more even than Thatcher.
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 18, 2024 15:23:31 GMT
What Labour went through is precisely what the Conservative Party is currently going through, a broad Church is fine, but to stretch it too far means you reach breaking point. The Labour Party is now fully under the control of "Social Democrats", the moderate Left as opposed to "Socialists", and Starmer has learned from the huge success of Blair how to widen the electoral appeal of the Labour Party to the middle classes, business people, the self employed and at the same time keep Labours principles. The Tory Party is in a civil war, its been pulled and fought over between traditional Conservatives, one nation Conservatives and the populist Right who play more on culture wars rather than focus on REAL politics. I find it absolutely alarming that a potential Tory leader has come out and backed Donald Trump for President, a man who would throw Ukraine AND EUROPE to the dogs ( To Russia ), and who has little interest in NATO. Are you having a laugh,the success of Blair? who is now Britains most hated politician more even than Thatcher. When I stated "the success of Blair" I specifically mean the record majority achieved by Labour under his leadership, and the fact that he is the only Labour leader in history to win three consecutive terms of office. Blair's unpopularity is largely restricted to the far Left, the Corbynites, Momentum types, and I see no evidence that he is as unpopular as you seem to believe amongst the wider electorate, indeed I often hear people say that they wish he was in charge now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2024 15:34:57 GMT
What record? He trashed the country, which we know you support and gloat over throughout this forum. Just like NuLabour you get off on rubbing everyone's face in mass-immigration and multiculturalism, which brought terrorism, division, Orwellianism and a horde of backwards who have 20 kids on social welfare.
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 18, 2024 15:55:03 GMT
What record? He trashed the country, which we know you support and gloat over throughout this forum. Just like NuLabour you get off on rubbing everyone's face in mass-immigration and multiculturalism, which brought terrorism, division, Orwellianism and a horde of backwards who have 20 kids on social welfare. Blair and his illegal war in Iraq poisoned British politics, we've never recovered, the rot set in as of then, now Blair is worth upwards of £100million, he ever earned that through his boring after dinner speeches.
Labour are poison, they advocate one thing while they totally do the opposite, the young voters of today are the pensioners of tomorrow.
Young voters are all for socialism, vote Labour blah blah, while they rack up their uni loans, it's only when they leave Uni start to get a proper job, get married and have kids, they soon change their minds, mortgage payers with some assets start to realise how Labour are squandering their hard earned cash, then they vote Tory.
LOL... why do you think Labour always want to punish 'TORY' pensioners, most of them were the young socialists of yesterday, as they got older and more wiser they switched from Labour to the Tories .... they eventually realised their hard earned cash, their homes and assets would be gone if left in the hands of a Labour government.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 18, 2024 16:18:24 GMT
What Labour went through is precisely what the Conservative Party is currently going through, a broad Church is fine, but to stretch it too far means you reach breaking point. The Labour Party is now fully under the control of "Social Democrats", the moderate Left as opposed to "Socialists", and Starmer has learned from the huge success of Blair how to widen the electoral appeal of the Labour Party to the middle classes, business people, the self employed and at the same time keep Labours principles. The Tory Party is in a civil war, its been pulled and fought over between traditional Conservatives, one nation Conservatives and the populist Right who play more on culture wars rather than focus on REAL politics. I find it absolutely alarming that a potential Tory leader has come out and backed Donald Trump for President, a man who would throw Ukraine AND EUROPE to the dogs ( To Russia ), and who has little interest in NATO. I am at a loss as to what are Labour's principles. Can you tell us what they are? It seems to be lying and self agrandizement as the main legacy from the Blair years and all things to all people now. Most of us want a government that will rule in the best interest of Britain and the British people surely the base principles we should all wish to adhere to.
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 18, 2024 16:39:22 GMT
What record? He trashed the country, which we know you support and gloat over throughout this forum. Just like NuLabour you get off on rubbing everyone's face in mass-immigration and multiculturalism, which brought terrorism, division, Orwellianism and a horde of backwards who have 20 kids on social welfare. I wonder where you get the idea that Blair "trashed the country" ? Throughout Blair's term of office, borrowing remained lower than its peak during John Majors term, in fact the UK budget was actually in surplus for 4 years, something which never happened under the Major government. Unemployment was low - interest rates low - we had sustainable growth - public services all improved, but in particular our NHS - living standards improved. There is nothing today which is in a better position than it was under Blair, not borrowing, not the National Debt, not growth, not living standards, the NHS is in a terrible state, as are all public services, everything is worse. As for mass immigration, the three people responsible for Free Movement were (1) John Major, (2) Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd, and (3) Europe Minister Francis Maude, all of who's signatures appear upon the Treaty which opened the doors to Free Movement.
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Post by wapentake on Apr 18, 2024 17:20:32 GMT
Are you having a laugh,the success of Blair? who is now Britains most hated politician more even than Thatcher. When I stated "the success of Blair" I specifically mean the record majority achieved by Labour under his leadership, and the fact that he is the only Labour leader in history to win three consecutive terms of office. Blair's unpopularity is largely restricted to the far Left, the Corbynites, Momentum types, and I see no evidence that he is as unpopular as you seem to believe amongst the wider electorate, indeed I often hear people say that they wish he was in charge now. I see so success in your eyes is winning elections and ignoring illegal wars destabilising the Middle East and promoting the success of isis,yeah great record. So all those in here who detest Blair fall in to those categories,don’t think so.
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