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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2022 23:15:09 GMT
Better still invent ice cream. You'd make an absolute fortune. You just need ice and salt for that plus all the readily available ingredients. You might have to wait a while for vanilla though. Sounds like it might be a winter treat, too (where would the ice come from in Summer?). Still, it might make a fortune. The only problem is that you'd also need to invent patents to protect your invention. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 23, 2022 23:35:11 GMT
Better still invent ice cream. You'd make an absolute fortune. You just need ice and salt for that plus all the readily available ingredients. You might have to wait a while for vanilla though. Sounds like it might be a winter treat, too (where would the ice come from in Summer?). Still, it might make a fortune. The only problem is that you'd also need to invent patents to protect your invention. You'd have to do what they did when icecream first came to the motherland, long before freezers were invented, and get some friendly seaman to sail to Greenland and bring you back a hold full of ice cap ice. In Victorian times there was a thriving industry in ice and, insulated in straw, huge volumes of it were stored in warehouses. It was mostly used for meat storage in the big country houses who had insulated ice houses to keep it in. It would stay frozen for remarkable lengths of time due to the large quantities used (weeks if not months in the height of summer). It enabled ice cream to be made for the first time in this country in the mid to late 1800s. I'd have to look it up to be sure but I think the Italians came up with it first, presumably using ice from glaciers in the Alps. Adding salt to crushed ice to lower the temp further it's basically frozen egg custard made with thick cream. I've seen it done in small quantities by one of the jugglers at my convention. Very tasty it was too. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2022 23:37:46 GMT
Sounds like it might be a winter treat, too (where would the ice come from in Summer?). Still, it might make a fortune. The only problem is that you'd also need to invent patents to protect your invention. You'd have to do what they did when icecream first came to the motherland, long before freezers were invented, and get some friendly seaman to sail to Greenland and bring you back a hold full of ice cap ice. In Victorian times there was a thriving industry in ice and, insulated in straw, huge volumes of it were stored in warehouses. It was mostly used for meat storage in the big country houses who had insulated ice houses to keep it in. It would stay frozen for remarkable lengths of time due to the large quantities used (weeks if not months in the height of summer). It enabled ice cream to be made for the first time in this country in the mid to late 1800s. I'd have to look it up to be sure but I think the Italians came up with it first, presumably using ice from glaciers in the Alps. Damn! That puts you well in the lead, Monte. Penicillin, pasteurised milk, and now ice cream. Is there no end to your talents? |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2022 23:40:47 GMT
My only solace is you wouldn't get rich from any of it without patents (though, I suppose it would be reasonably easy to keep the secrets to penicillin and pasteurised milk to yourself).
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 23, 2022 23:42:32 GMT
You'd have to do what they did when icecream first came to the motherland, long before freezers were invented, and get some friendly seaman to sail to Greenland and bring you back a hold full of ice cap ice. In Victorian times there was a thriving industry in ice and, insulated in straw, huge volumes of it were stored in warehouses. It was mostly used for meat storage in the big country houses who had insulated ice houses to keep it in. It would stay frozen for remarkable lengths of time due to the large quantities used (weeks if not months in the height of summer). It enabled ice cream to be made for the first time in this country in the mid to late 1800s. I'd have to look it up to be sure but I think the Italians came up with it first, presumably using ice from glaciers in the Alps. Damn! That puts you well in the lead, Monte. Penicillin, pasteurised milk, and now ice cream. Is there no end to your talents? I have to credit good old BBC radio 4 for the fascinating story of ice cream in this country. It was a program years ago so apologies if I've remembered some of the fine details and dates wrong. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2022 23:46:27 GMT
How about mouse-traps and clothes pegs? Would you be up to it?
Maybe the safety razor is a possibility.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 23, 2022 23:53:51 GMT
My only solace is you wouldn't get rich from any of it without patents (though, I suppose it would be reasonably easy to keep the secrets to penicillin and pasteurised milk to yourself). Meh, patents schmatents, I'll invent the ice cream parlour at the same time and have the toffs of London queueing for a mile down the road for my highly priced product. I've even got the right Italian surname to market it with. The Montegriffo clan escaped the warring city states of present day Italy some 400 years ago to set up en masse in Gibraltar. By the present time there would be a worldwide chain of Montegriffo ice cream parlours bigger than McDonalds and I'll be rich enough to buy Twitter, Facebook and a tank full of petrol from the spare change down the back of the sofa. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 23, 2022 23:59:08 GMT
How about mouse-traps and clothes pegs? Would you be up to it? Maybe the safety razor is a possibility. The gypsies have had the clothes peg market tied up for years and I wouldn't want to cross them and get my ice cream parlours burnt down. Dunno about mousetraps. I think we had domestic cats here 500 years ago. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2022 23:59:58 GMT
My only solace is you wouldn't get rich from any of it without patents (though, I suppose it would be reasonably easy to keep the secrets to penicillin and pasteurised milk to yourself). Meh, patents schmatents, I'll invent the ice cream parlour at the same time and have the toffs of London queueing for a mile down the road for my highly priced product. I've even got the right Italian surname to market it with. The Montegriffo clan escaped the warring city states of present day Italy some 400 years ago to set up en masse in Gibraltar. By the present time there would be a worldwide chain of Montegriffo ice cream parlours bigger than McDonalds and I'll be rich enough to buy Twitter, Facebook and a tank full of petrol from the spare change down the back of the sofa. Good luck selling your cabbage-flavoured ice-cream* in medieval Britain, Moneybags. *fruits weren't invented until 1961. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 24, 2022 0:00:50 GMT
How about mouse-traps and clothes pegs? Would you be up to it? Maybe the safety razor is a possibility. The gypsies have had the clothes peg market tied up for years and I wouldn't want to cross them and get my ice cream parlours burnt down. Dunno about mousetraps. I think we had domestic cats here 500 years ago. The cats will be used to flavour the ice-cream. It's that or cabbages. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 24, 2022 0:15:32 GMT
Meh, patents schmatents, I'll invent the ice cream parlour at the same time and have the toffs of London queueing for a mile down the road for my highly priced product. I've even got the right Italian surname to market it with. The Montegriffo clan escaped the warring city states of present day Italy some 400 years ago to set up en masse in Gibraltar. By the present time there would be a worldwide chain of Montegriffo ice cream parlours bigger than McDonalds and I'll be rich enough to buy Twitter, Facebook and a tank full of petrol from the spare change down the back of the sofa. Good luck selling your cabbage-flavoured ice-cream* in medieval Britain, Moneybags. *fruits weren't invented until 1961. Literal LOL plus one slap on the table. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 24, 2022 0:17:17 GMT
The gypsies have had the clothes peg market tied up for years and I wouldn't want to cross them and get my ice cream parlours burnt down. Dunno about mousetraps. I think we had domestic cats here 500 years ago. The cats will be used to flavour the ice-cream. It's that or cabbages. Raedwald says FU. Well he said meow but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. |
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Post by colbops on Nov 24, 2022 2:15:50 GMT
I'd probably focus in on electricity and electromagnetism.
i'd be able to knock up a basic generator with readily available materials, as well as things like a rudimentary electric motor, relays, discrete logic gates and circuits, resistors, rudimentary capacitors.
I think I'd be able to do enough with the above to demonstrate some practical applications for electricity that would get its value and potential across, and secure me major patronage to get the necessary resources and best minds of the time to support and help to take things forward from there. Light, telegraphy, and radio would both be short term achievable goals at that point.
These things along with a bunch of simple formulae outlining first principles of electronics would probably get things 3-400 years ahead of schedule initially, though that would likely slip over time.
Having established a platform, there'd be quite a few other bits and pieces to throw out there for others to run with. Whilst I wouldn't be able to recite all elements of the periodic table off by heart, I could certainly draw out its structure. Ie the 18 groups and 7 periods. I could definitely knock up a few of the ring drawings we all did in chemistry to show and explain protons, neutrons and electrons. Even though there'd be a lot of 'fill in the blanks' knowing there are 118 to find, being able to assume the properties of the the ones I can't remember using the logic of the table structure would have huge value.
I think the key would be not to overcomplicate things and be trying to get across/ deliver a finished article as would be recognised today. Just opening up pathways, demonstrating principles, sparking others in a simple fashion would be immensely valuable. refinement can follow later
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 24, 2022 9:11:29 GMT
I'd probably focus in on electricity and electromagnetism. i'd be able to knock up a basic generator with readily available materials, as well as things like a rudimentary electric motor, relays, discrete logic gates and circuits, resistors, rudimentary capacitors. I think I'd be able to do enough with the above to demonstrate some practical applications for electricity that would get its value and potential across, and secure me major patronage to get the necessary resources and best minds of the time to support and help to take things forward from there. Light, telegraphy, and radio would both be short term achievable goals at that point. These things along with a bunch of simple formulae outlining first principles of electronics would probably get things 3-400 years ahead of schedule initially, though that would likely slip over time. Having established a platform, there'd be quite a few other bits and pieces to throw out there for others to run with. Whilst I wouldn't be able to recite all elements of the periodic table off by heart, I could certainly draw out its structure. Ie the 18 groups and 7 periods. I could definitely knock up a few of the ring drawings we all did in chemistry to show and explain protons, neutrons and electrons. Even though there'd be a lot of 'fill in the blanks' knowing there are 118 to find, being able to assume the properties of the the ones I can't remember using the logic of the table structure would have huge value. I think the key would be not to overcomplicate things and be trying to get across/ deliver a finished article as would be recognised today. Just opening up pathways, demonstrating principles, sparking others in a simple fashion would be immensely valuable. refinement can follow later Just make sure to use the available technology of waterwheels and windmills to generate your electricity. Don't go inventing the steam engine or any other kind of fossil fuel powered generation. If you can replace whale oil lamps to light our houses you can save the whale before it was ever endangered. While you are investigating elements if you can isolate the noble gases my chain of ice cream parlours would put in a huge order for neon signs. I've always wanted my name in lights.  |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 24, 2022 10:21:29 GMT
I'd probably focus in on electricity and electromagnetism. i'd be able to knock up a basic generator with readily available materials, as well as things like a rudimentary electric motor, relays, discrete logic gates and circuits, resistors, rudimentary capacitors. Would that be possible without plastic and rubber? Edit: my sarcasm detector appears to have developed a glitch. |
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