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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 13, 2024 10:41:19 GMT
If Brexiteers leave such a vulnerable flank undefended it should not be a surprise to find it being attacked. How on earth does that ^ in any way have anything remotely to do with the UK becoming the worlds 4th largest exporter? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 10:49:36 GMT
It's a matter of the veracity of sources, Red. The Daily Mail's garbled reporting and unsubstantiated claims are easy to attack.
The way to get around that is to find the original source and quote from that instead.
And back that up by finding out what is actually being exported, if anything tangible at all.
Facts, not idle supposition and wild innuendo, are needed if you want to persuade non-believers.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 13, 2024 11:11:51 GMT
City AM - Services trade sees UK become world’s fourth largest exporter - linkInstitute of Export & International Trade - UK becomes world’s fourth largest exporter as services boom - link
However, I'm sure you and like minded Brexit bashers will continue to rubbish what is obviously a good news story. Knock yourself out. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 11:18:42 GMT
OK using your excellent new sources, can you tell us:
1. What time period do these glad tidings refer to?
2. What is the breakdown between goods and services, and how does that compare to other economies being used as comparators?
3. What is included in 'services' and what is the value of each sector in terms of 'exports'?
I expect you to say you don't care but why not prove me wrong.
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 13, 2024 11:20:58 GMT
If the rise is of the number of foreign students, a bit hard to argue that's a Brexit benefit really.
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 11:26:22 GMT
Education is certainly considered an 'export' so yes, the dramatic increase in income from foreign students will be included in 'services'. UK universities get most of their fees from foreign students"Numbers of foreign students are up 50 per cent in five years and analysis by The Times of financial data shows the extent to which universities have become reliant on international recruitment." |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 13, 2024 11:57:36 GMT
If the rise is of the number of foreign students, a bit hard to argue that's a Brexit benefit really. Oh is that the students that arrive by dinghy Andrew? There doesn't seem to be any shortage of those fuckers.. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 13, 2024 12:09:24 GMT
OK using your excellent new sources, can you tell us: 1. What time period do these glad tidings refer to? 2. What is the breakdown between goods and services, and how does that compare to other economies being used as comparators? 3. What is included in 'services' and what is the value of each sector in terms of 'exports'? I expect you to say you don't care but why not prove me wrong. You expect me to carry out an autopsy on the links I provided? Ever the optimist eh Dan. How about this: Lets see your evidence that says the UK is not the fourth biggest exporter in the world... |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 12:16:55 GMT
I'm more interested in what is being exported other than student fees and legal fees for Middle Eastern divorcees.
I don't either of those, or service 'exports' in general are going to keep the home fires burning in your neck of the woods.
You ought to be more interested in what is being ballyhooed by politicians and lazy hacks in the legacy media as 'economic success' and what it actually means. And yes, cui bono?
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 12:58:56 GMT
OK, I've located the original source which Red seems uninterested in bothering with, and will produce an analysis later. It will make interesting reading.
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Post by see2 on Apr 13, 2024 13:13:33 GMT
As a former reluctant member of the AUEW I can vouch for where the responsibility for that lies. Chinese, Japanese and Indian producers can manufacture physical things twice as cheaply as we do, one reason being is that the employees are not fixated on improving their work life balance, working from home, larger annual pay rises and a four day week. Prior to the saintly intervention of Mrs Thatcher I spent as much time on strike as I did working. , that was also true for all the major industrial countries of Europe. Yes the 1970s, the culmination of, mostly Conservative, maladministration contributing to the UK's economic weakness, rising unemployment and inflation in double figures, there was discontent among most of the workforce who felt seriously let down. The 'Winter of Discontent' is an example when the lowest paid workers in the workforce i.e. Refuse collectors and grave diggers went on strike after being advised by the Trade Union Congress, to take a 5% wage increase with inflation at 10%. Mrs. Thatcher, oh yes, that's the ><><> that sold off our Oil, our Gas and Electricity, Water and everything else she could get her hands on, while at the same time putting millions -- of hard working responsible individuals like myself, only ever lost one day demonstration to strike action. -- out of employment so that she could enforce her corner shop ideology on the UK. I.E. Buy and sell, and sell, and sell, just seriously reduce UK independent production. I have experience of working right through from the late 1950s, I have the full experience, unlike the 'Johnny come lately' over opinionated individuals like yourself. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 13, 2024 13:43:08 GMT
There's a similar 'for want of a nail...' story surrounding the explosion in a Rolls-Royce engine on Qantas Flight 32. Hmm interesting. I looked up the report and found this.
I think it was simply the work was not fixed properly prior to milling. Maybe it was a classic case of a £2ph apprentice.
An intern at HS2 Ltd was put in charge of working out the cost of all the properties that would have to be compensated in the path of the track.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 13, 2024 13:55:39 GMT
Education is certainly considered an 'export' so yes, the dramatic increase in income from foreign students will be included in 'services'. UK universities get most of their fees from foreign students"Numbers of foreign students are up 50 per cent in five years and analysis by The Times of financial data shows the extent to which universities have become reliant on international recruitment." If we don't actually do manufacturing anymore then there will come a time where all the subjects in and around manufacturing, which includes things like physics, chemistry, mathematics, engineering and so on, we will no longer practice what we preach and so what we preach will become kind of theoretical rather than hands on and geared towards solving practical problems.
However, as we well know, universities don't just teach these subjects, but also teach the writings of dead people, as per studies of the past. I can see a point where our universities will veer towards these kinds of study, like perhaps anthropology and all of that, and really it will amount to arguments about how many angels you can fit on a pinhead. We actually run the risk of going backwards, much like the communist William Morris had in mind, back to the idyllic age of pre-industrialisation. The simple life. We can welcome back cholera and so on.
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 13, 2024 16:17:27 GMT
OK so here is spreadsheet using the UNCTAD trade data for 2022 as reported (kind of) in the Mail. I'll leave it up for comments before adding my own.
Oops didn't upload. I'll retry later.
Let's try this... ![]()
 Hmmm something's wrong with the image upload function, anyone else having trouble?
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Post by Bentley on Apr 13, 2024 16:28:16 GMT
As a former reluctant member of the AUEW I can vouch for where the responsibility for that lies. Chinese, Japanese and Indian producers can manufacture physical things twice as cheaply as we do, one reason being is that the employees are not fixated on improving their work life balance, working from home, larger annual pay rises and a four day week. Prior to the saintly intervention of Mrs Thatcher I spent as much time on strike as I did working. , that was also true for all the major industrial countries of Europe. Yes the 1970s, the culmination of, mostly Conservative, maladministration contributing to the UK's economic weakness, rising unemployment and inflation in double figures, there was discontent among most of the workforce who felt seriously let down. The 'Winter of Discontent' is an example when the lowest paid workers in the workforce i.e. Refuse collectors and grave diggers went on strike after being advised by the Trade Union Congress, to take a 5% wage increase with inflation at 10%. Mrs. Thatcher, oh yes, that's the ><><> that sold off our Oil, our Gas and Electricity, Water and everything else she could get her hands on, while at the same time putting millions -- of hard working responsible individuals like myself, only ever lost one day demonstration to strike action. -- out of employment so that she could enforce her corner shop ideology on the UK. I.E. Buy and sell, and sell, and sell, just seriously reduce UK independent production. I have experience of working right through from the late 1950s, I have the full experience, unlike the 'Johnny come lately' over opinionated individuals like yourself. Labour was in office during the ‘ winter of discontent’…before Thatcher. |
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