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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 15, 2024 11:11:56 GMT
I suspect that if a UK printer was selling counterfeit stamps to China our government would intervene. What is the Chinese government doing ? Can you give previous examples of this UK intervention? |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 15, 2024 11:15:05 GMT
I suspect that if a UK printer was selling counterfeit stamps to China our government would intervene. What is the Chinese government doing ? Can you give previous examples of this UK intervention? Afaik the UK doesn’t sell counterfeit stamps to China . So there can’t be examples can they? Please provide evidence of UK companies selling counterfeit stamps , money orders , currency etc to China . |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 15, 2024 11:17:51 GMT
Printing.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 15, 2024 11:38:07 GMT
Can you give previous examples of this UK intervention? Afaik the UK doesn’t sell counterfeit stamps to China . So there can’t be examples can they? Please provide evidence of UK companies selling counterfeit stamps , money orders , currency etc to China . I was asking you. I have never heard of a case of the UK government helping the Chinese government out with some UK citizen committing crime in China. This is why I would not expect it. I only expect things if I see a pattern emerge above the statistical noise.
Remember the Chinese government are not obliged to help the UK. Now supposing it turned out the UK had proof and genuinely needed the help of the Chinese government. Yesterday I was watching this thing about a recent visit to China by Yellen. She went over there because the US needs China's help, and in particular it needs China to buy US bonds. The US is essentially strapped for cash and if it can't sell bonds it can't keep borrowing. I'll quote you what they said, which was from the appointed official who would have been passing in President Xi's position given President Xi was not there to talk to her. They told her, she has to ask "nicely". As it was, she was not only asking this favour, but simultaneously talking about further US sanctioning of China and blardy blar threat. Now you can probably see what would happen if the UK asked China for a favour. Manners are so important in China.
By the way, have you heard about this fentanyl epidemic in the states? That stuff is evil. It can kill you far far easier than heroin. It takes about as much as would fit on a pin head as a the lethal dose, but mixed down it is a super cheap heroin substitute and is very easy to make. Guess where the precursors come from?
It turns out on this occasion China has agreed to help the US by controlling the supply of precursors, so like they do have a heart, though can you really see the Chinese that bothered about our post office. They probably think it is the post office which are the bigger criminals. That's a bigger ask in my view. They would need to do some horse trading to spur it on.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 15, 2024 11:48:36 GMT
Afaik the UK doesn’t sell counterfeit stamps to China . So there can’t be examples can they? Please provide evidence of UK companies selling counterfeit stamps , money orders , currency etc to China . I was asking you. I have never heard of a case of the UK government helping the Chinese government out with some UK citizen committing crime in China. This is why I would not expect it. I only expect things if I see a pattern emerge above the statistical noise.
Remember the Chinese government are not obliged to help the UK. Now supposing it turned out the UK had proof and genuinely needed the help of the Chinese government. Yesterday I was watching this thing about a recent visit to China by Yellen. She went over there because the US needs China's help, and in particular it needs China to buy US bonds. The US is essentially strapped for cash and if it can't sell bonds it can't keep borrowing. I'll quote you what they said, which was from the appointed official who would have been passing in President Xi's position given President Xi was not there to talk to her. They told her, she has to ask "nicely". As it was, she was not only asking this favour, but simultaneously talking about further US sanctioning of China and blardy blar threat. Now you can probably see what would happen if the UK asked China for a favour. Manners are so important in China.
By the way, have you heard about this fentanyl epidemic in the states? That stuff is evil. It can kill you far far easier than heroin. It takes about as much as would fit on a pin head as a the lethal dose, but mixed down it is a super cheap heroin substitute and is very easy to make. Guess where the precursors come from?
It turns out on this occasion China has agreed to help the US by controlling the supply of precursors, so like they do have a heart, though can you really see the Chinese that bothered about our post office. They probably think it is the post office which are the bigger criminals. That's a bigger ask in my view. They would need to do some horse trading to spur it on.
And I was asking you to provide evidence of UK companies selling counterfeit stamps , money orders , currency etc to China . Looks like there is none . China has a reputation for counterfeit goods . The UK has not. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 15, 2024 12:04:02 GMT
I was asking you. I have never heard of a case of the UK government helping the Chinese government out with some UK citizen committing crime in China. This is why I would not expect it. I only expect things if I see a pattern emerge above the statistical noise.
Remember the Chinese government are not obliged to help the UK. Now supposing it turned out the UK had proof and genuinely needed the help of the Chinese government. Yesterday I was watching this thing about a recent visit to China by Yellen. She went over there because the US needs China's help, and in particular it needs China to buy US bonds. The US is essentially strapped for cash and if it can't sell bonds it can't keep borrowing. I'll quote you what they said, which was from the appointed official who would have been passing in President Xi's position given President Xi was not there to talk to her. They told her, she has to ask "nicely". As it was, she was not only asking this favour, but simultaneously talking about further US sanctioning of China and blardy blar threat. Now you can probably see what would happen if the UK asked China for a favour. Manners are so important in China.
By the way, have you heard about this fentanyl epidemic in the states? That stuff is evil. It can kill you far far easier than heroin. It takes about as much as would fit on a pin head as a the lethal dose, but mixed down it is a super cheap heroin substitute and is very easy to make. Guess where the precursors come from?
It turns out on this occasion China has agreed to help the US by controlling the supply of precursors, so like they do have a heart, though can you really see the Chinese that bothered about our post office. They probably think it is the post office which are the bigger criminals. That's a bigger ask in my view. They would need to do some horse trading to spur it on.
And I was asking you to provide evidence of UK companies selling counterfeit stamps , money orders , currency etc to China . Looks like there is none . China has a reputation for counterfeit goods . The UK has not. It is exactly because the British and the Americans blame China first before having the slightest evidence that the reputation is generated, and now we use the reputation as evidence. China is likely to say stuff you if you approach them like that. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 15, 2024 12:06:47 GMT
And I was asking you to provide evidence of UK companies selling counterfeit stamps , money orders , currency etc to China . Looks like there is none . China has a reputation for counterfeit goods . The UK has not. It is exactly because the British and the Americans blame China first before having the slightest evidence that the reputation is generated, and now we use the reputation as evidence. China is likely to say stuff you if you approach them like that. You live in dream world. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 15, 2024 12:12:25 GMT
It is exactly because the British and the Americans blame China first before having the slightest evidence that the reputation is generated, and now we use the reputation as evidence. China is likely to say stuff you if you approach them like that. You live in dream world. No I live in a critical thinking world and have just sussed the bug in the BBC's claim which you all lapped up as true. I admit I never bothered to read the link though as I'm just sick of the propaganda. State the evidence first. Never take an official's word for it in the UK. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 15, 2024 12:15:34 GMT
No I live in a critical thinking world and have just sussed the bug in the BBC's claim which you all lapped up as true. I admit I never bothered to read the link though as I'm just sick of the propaganda. State the evidence first. Never take an official's word for it in the UK. Nope you live in a dream world . China is the world’s foremost counterfeit goods producer. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 15, 2024 12:28:29 GMT
No I live in a critical thinking world and have just sussed the bug in the BBC's claim which you all lapped up as true. I admit I never bothered to read the link though as I'm just sick of the propaganda. State the evidence first. Never take an official's word for it in the UK. Nope you live in a dream world . China is the world’s foremost counterfeit goods producer. There is a misinterpretation there. China will copy designs, like they will produce a phone that looks like an Iphone but is a cheap replica. They don't sell them as Iphones and nor is the buyer conned, but the US grumbles because the design itself is copyright/IP or whatever. In China, if someone creates a style it is perfectly acceptable for people to copy, and such a thing is not seen as a wrong doing. For example they have a car that looks very similar to a Rolls Royce superficially, but close up it is clearly not a Rolls. That's what they mostly complain about. In China designs are often shared. It's a more economic business model. Think how open source software develops. Well they do the same with products, and often the design of the product comes originally from a US origin. You get it a lot in products like say that speedfit plastic plumbing system which came from a specific manufacturer, but adopting it as standard means you can interchange with many manufacturers. Standardisation is good. It's one of the things I admire about their economic system. We are too protectionist. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 15, 2024 12:33:38 GMT
Nope you live in a dream world . China is the world’s foremost counterfeit goods producer. There is a misinterpretation there. China will copy designs, like they will produce a phone that looks like an Iphone but is a cheap replica. They don't sell them as Iphones and nor is the buyer conned, but the US grumbles because the design itself is copyright/IP or whatever. In China, if someone creates a style it is perfectly acceptable for people to copy, and such a thing is not seen as a wrong doing. For example they have a car that looks very similar to a Rolls Royce superficially, but close up it is clearly not a Rolls. That's what they mostly complain about. In China designs are often shared. It's a more economic business model. Think how open source software develops. Well they do the same with products, and often the design of the product comes originally from a US origin. You get it a lot in products like say that speedfit plastic plumbing system which came from a specific manufacturer, but adopting it as standard means you can interchange with many manufacturers. Standardisation is good. It's one of the things I admire about their economic system. We are too protectionist. Listen to yourself lol. “ It’s not a counterfeit if you change then name “. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 15, 2024 13:25:10 GMT
There is a misinterpretation there. China will copy designs, like they will produce a phone that looks like an Iphone but is a cheap replica. They don't sell them as Iphones and nor is the buyer conned, but the US grumbles because the design itself is copyright/IP or whatever. In China, if someone creates a style it is perfectly acceptable for people to copy, and such a thing is not seen as a wrong doing. For example they have a car that looks very similar to a Rolls Royce superficially, but close up it is clearly not a Rolls. That's what they mostly complain about. In China designs are often shared. It's a more economic business model. Think how open source software develops. Well they do the same with products, and often the design of the product comes originally from a US origin. You get it a lot in products like say that speedfit plastic plumbing system which came from a specific manufacturer, but adopting it as standard means you can interchange with many manufacturers. Standardisation is good. It's one of the things I admire about their economic system. We are too protectionist. Listen to yourself lol. “ It’s not a counterfeit if you change then name “. You mentioned an aggregate measure. I was saying the aggregate was mostly comprised today of the things I describe. Counterfeit can mean counterfeiting bank notes at the most criminal end of things, but can also be used to describe products that are copies of a well-known brand.
It used to be a lot worse in China. There was a firm that directly ripped off Sega and became a huge computer firm paying tons of tax. The party has always hated the Japs so in the early days they were not bothered. I think it was about 15 or so years ago the party said to the firm, we know what you do, we have been lax about it in the past, but now we want to clean things up so from now on you will have to put your own name on the product and respect their IP. It was in effect an amnesty, as per they would not go after them as long as they respected the fact things are changing and China is now modernising and needs to clean up its act. Like typical Chinese firms, they have a good relationship with the government and went along with their wishes. In the UK the authorities would have probably took them to court and made an example out of them, but in China a quiet word with the boss can sort it out so everyone is happy.It's just a very weird world over there. By the way, I got that story from an ex-boss of Commodore. He was in a position to know exactly what was going on there at the time.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 15, 2024 13:31:13 GMT
Listen to yourself lol. “ It’s not a counterfeit if you change then name “. You mentioned an aggregate measure. I was saying the aggregate was mostly comprised today of the things I describe. Counterfeit can mean counterfeiting bank notes at the most criminal end of things, but can also be used to describe products that are copies of a well-known brand.
It used to be a lot worse in China. There was a firm that directly ripped off Sega and became a huge computer firm paying tons of tax. The party has always hated the Japs so in the early days they were not bothered. I think it was about 15 or so years ago the party said to the firm, we know what you do, we have been lax about it in the past, but now we want to clean things up so from now on you will have to put your own name on the product and respect their IP. It was in effect an amnesty, as per they would not go after them as long as they respected the fact things are changing and China is now modernising and needs to clean up its act. Like typical Chinese firms, they have a good relationship with the government and went along with their wishes. In the UK the authorities would have probably took them to court and made an example out of them, but in China a quiet word with the boss can sort it out so everyone is happy.It's just a very weird world over there. By the way, I got that story from an ex-boss of Commodore. He was in a position to know exactly what was going on there at the time.
Ok .So you admit China does produce counterfeit products now. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 15, 2024 14:16:30 GMT
You mentioned an aggregate measure. I was saying the aggregate was mostly comprised today of the things I describe. Counterfeit can mean counterfeiting bank notes at the most criminal end of things, but can also be used to describe products that are copies of a well-known brand.
It used to be a lot worse in China. There was a firm that directly ripped off Sega and became a huge computer firm paying tons of tax. The party has always hated the Japs so in the early days they were not bothered. I think it was about 15 or so years ago the party said to the firm, we know what you do, we have been lax about it in the past, but now we want to clean things up so from now on you will have to put your own name on the product and respect their IP. It was in effect an amnesty, as per they would not go after them as long as they respected the fact things are changing and China is now modernising and needs to clean up its act. Like typical Chinese firms, they have a good relationship with the government and went along with their wishes. In the UK the authorities would have probably took them to court and made an example out of them, but in China a quiet word with the boss can sort it out so everyone is happy.It's just a very weird world over there. By the way, I got that story from an ex-boss of Commodore. He was in a position to know exactly what was going on there at the time.
Ok .So you admit China does produce counterfeit products now. You think I'm trying to lie to you. I am not. I'm just trying to make things clear, especially for those who love vague generalisations.
Counterfeiting is done in nearly every country.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 15, 2024 18:23:56 GMT
Ok .So you admit China does produce counterfeit products now. You think I'm trying to lie to you. I am not. I'm just trying to make things clear, especially for those who love vague generalisations.
Counterfeiting is done in nearly every country.
Things are already clear. China leads the world in counterfeit and pirated products. |
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