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Post by Vinny on Apr 5, 2024 9:28:01 GMT
Tories took us out of the EU. Starmer wanted to keep us in. Boris kicked his arse. If it hasn't been for the farcical mismanagement of the COVID pandemic the Tories would still be electable and Labour would be heading for another huge defeat. They elected the man whose policies last time caused Labour's worst ever defeat in a General Election. What kind of moron stands for leader after doing that? Can I add their farcical mismanagement of Levelling Up? Can I add their farcical mismanagement of HS2? Any mismanagement of levelling up is trivial in comparisons with failings that resulted in large numbers of deaths. Mismanagement of HS2 pales in comparison to failings that resulted in large numbers of deaths. Had it not been for COVID the Tories would be in a very strong position and Labour would be facing another huge defeat. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 5, 2024 10:27:26 GMT
Im voting reform, theres no other choice. Same. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 5, 2024 10:28:50 GMT
Can I add their farcical mismanagement of Levelling Up? Can I add their farcical mismanagement of HS2? Any mismanagement of levelling up is trivial in comparisons with failings that resulted in large numbers of deaths. Mismanagement of HS2 pales in comparison to failings that resulted in large numbers of deaths. Had it not been for COVID the Tories would be in a very strong position and Labour would be facing another huge defeat. The Tories were polling ahead of Labour until November 2021. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 5, 2024 11:02:13 GMT
Im voting reform, theres no other choice. Same. I shall be too It won't make the slightest difference but that's not really the point, there is no way to stop labour winning hete |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 5, 2024 11:24:25 GMT
Any mismanagement of levelling up is trivial in comparisons with failings that resulted in large numbers of deaths. Mismanagement of HS2 pales in comparison to failings that resulted in large numbers of deaths. Had it not been for COVID the Tories would be in a very strong position and Labour would be facing another huge defeat. The Tories were polling ahead of Labour until November 2021. Correct. And on the 30th of November 2021 the Partygate scandal came to light. It's entirely because of their mismanagement of COVID which included breaking their own rules. Rules which the rest of us could have ended up getting fined for. |
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Post by thescotsman on Apr 5, 2024 11:37:30 GMT
deckchairs on the Titanic.....
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 5, 2024 11:56:21 GMT
The Tories were polling ahead of Labour until November 2021. Correct. And on the 30th of November 2021 the Partygate scandal came to light. It's entirely because of their mismanagement of COVID which included breaking their own rules. Rules which the rest of us could have ended up getting fined for. As i have pointed out elsewhere They lost it the day Bojo didn’t fire Cummings At about the same time as Cummings broke the law, an SNP aide did something stupid in the same vein and resigned saying her continued presence as an aide would be a distraction. I imagine she’s either heading a quango or sitting in the lords now, as a reward for going quietly And i recall i swear it was a Tory who chose in direct contradiction to required behaviour to fuck off to his seaside holiday home, something Boris said was verboten because it put a strain on rural facilities. He got some sort of penalty for that, can’t recall what but again i recall those words ‘i am a distraction from the job at hand’ In stark contrast Cummings said i have done nothing wrong and called a press conference to state he had done nothing wrong and would not resign - despite the police later saying they SHOULD have fined him but failed to (and wouldn’t now as it apparently wasn’t in the public interest - the fuck it wasn't) Boris SHOULD have then called one to say his unelected Special Advisor, paid from taxpayers money, was in fact completely mistaken in his assessment of his wrongdoing, that Durham Police would soon be in touch with him to explain the gravity of his failure to comprehend the reality, and that he (Bojo) hoped Cummings would find the funds to pay the fine from his unemployment benefit seeing that he had just had his employment terminated with immediate effect for gross misconduct. Had Bojo not only done that but taken his parliamentary pass off him on camera and even better have his effects brought to him in a cardboard box by a security guard, the relentless oressure from the media would have vanished like morning mist Sadly, he chose instead to take Cummings side, reinforcing the public view of there being one law for us, and another for them, and the rest, as they say |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 5, 2024 12:00:06 GMT
Correct. And on the 30th of November 2021 the Partygate scandal came to light. It's entirely because of their mismanagement of COVID which included breaking their own rules. Rules which the rest of us could have ended up getting fined for. As i have pointed out elsewhere They lost it the day Bojo didn’t fire Cummings At about the same time as Cummings broke the law, an SNP aide did something stupid in the same vein and resigned saying her continued presence as an aide would be a distraction. I imagine she’s either heading a quango or sitting in the lords now, as a reward for going quietly And i recall i swear it was a Tory who chose in direct contradiction to required behaviour to fuck off to his seaside holiday home, something Boris said was verboten because it put a strain on rural facilities. He got some sort of penalty for that, can’t recall what but again i recall those words ‘i am a distraction from the job at hand’ In stark contrast Cummings said i have done nothing wrong and called a press conference to state he had done nothing wrong and would not resign - despite the police later saying they SHOULD have fined him but failed to (and wouldn’t now as it apparently wasn’t in the public interest - the fuck it wasn't) Boris SHOULD have then called one to say his unelected Special Advisor, paid from taxpayers money, was in fact completely mistaken in his assessment of his wrongdoing, that Durham Police would soon be in touch with him to explain the gravity of his failure to comprehend the reality, and that he (Bojo) hoped Cummings would find the funds to pay the fine from his unemployment benefit seeing that he had just had his employment terminated with immediate effect for gross misconduct. Had Bojo not only done that but taken his parliamentary pass off him on camera and even better have his effects brought to him in a cardboard box by a security guard, the relentless oressure from the media would have vanished like morning mist Sadly, he chose instead to take Cummings side, reinforcing the public view of there being one law for us, and another for them, and the rest, as they say Exactly, and that is why loads of Tories will be fired at the next election. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 5, 2024 12:00:12 GMT
The Tories were polling ahead of Labour until November 2021. Correct. And on the 30th of November 2021 the Partygate scandal came to light. It's entirely because of their mismanagement of COVID which included breaking their own rules. Rules which the rest of us could have ended up getting fined for. Except if the electorate were unhappy with the Covid rules themselves, wouldn't their polling have plummeted in 2020,not late 2021? I agree with you about Partygate, and that was a turning point, but if was the only factor why hasn't Truss or Sunak been able to kick on? In fact the opposite happened and Truss sunk what was bad polling in 6 weeks, and after an initial bounce with Sunak he's now down to her depths. You can't blame that on Covid, we've moved on 3 years now. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 5, 2024 12:04:34 GMT
They were part of Boris Johnson's government.
Think about it.
They were in the same circle as him and they did not do anything about Cummings, they did not stop the parties happening, they did not resign in protest when Boris Johnson was fucking up and Sunak was Johnson's Chancellor.
Collectively they were all to blame.
And one big legacy of the COVID crisis, inflation, whilst it's going down, it's not back under full control either, we went into recession at the end of last year and Labour are milking that for all it's worth.
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Post by thescotsman on Apr 5, 2024 12:11:17 GMT
Correct. And on the 30th of November 2021 the Partygate scandal came to light. It's entirely because of their mismanagement of COVID which included breaking their own rules. Rules which the rest of us could have ended up getting fined for. Except if the electorate were unhappy with the Covid rules themselves, wouldn't their polling have plummeted in 2020,not late 2021? I agree with you about Partygate, and that was a turning point, but if was the only factor why hasn't Truss or Sunak been able to kick on? In fact the opposite happened and Truss sunk what was bad polling in 6 weeks, and after an initial bounce with Sunak he's now down to her depths. You can't blame that on Covid, we've moved on 3 years now. ...perhaps its because they didn't stand for anything....didn't believe in anything other than their own careers... |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 5, 2024 13:24:54 GMT
We are still what 6 months away, inflation will be down and interest rates will be coming down, so the polls will narrow.
Labour will have produced their manifesto and costings. If there is nothing too outlandish in it, then people might not fear a Labour government and just see it as a vote for the status quo, so many won't even bother to vote.
Basically, Labour are going to win by default, and will probably be in power for 2 - 3 terms.
Personally I think Reform will win seats, because turn out is going to be super low, and their supporters will be more motivated to vote.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 6, 2024 10:18:36 GMT
Reform UK hits polling high as right-wing voters desert Conservatives...... Reform UK has hit a new polling high, biting in to the Conservatives’ vote share as Rishi Sunak remains on course for a heavy election defeat. A poll for i by BMG Research found that 14 per cent of voters – including nearly a quarter of Brexiteers – now back the right-wing party founded by Nigel Farage....
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 6, 2024 20:01:24 GMT
I think those figures look to be about average for the current polling. Now put them into electoral Calculus and tell me what that means for the next parliament.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 9, 2024 1:16:46 GMT
I think those figures look to be about average for the current polling. Now put them into electoral Calculus and tell me what that means for the next parliament. The average puts the Cons on 22.5% and Reform on 13%.
In the last couple of months all parties have been unchanged except Cons moving to Reform.
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