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Post by piglet on Mar 31, 2024 11:04:09 GMT
Here is an important problem, most hinges on it. Should all immigrants become British, or should they retain their cultural identity, seperate from this country, including language and customs. Not only that but be represented statistically in all walks of life regardless of ability or education.
That learning the english language, or writing it in unnescessary.
This is the way it is at the moment.
If immigrants are excluded from any profession or whatever, then its our fault. We should provide interpreters, culturally friendly environments, food, drink, etc.
Integration is not wanted, indeed, harmful, racist, evil.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 1, 2024 0:19:58 GMT
When I worked in France, in the years between Maastricht and Lisbon, before the Euro, official documents had to be completed in French. Translation services were paid for by those unable to speak french
I personally found for the time I was there, which I admit was not long, that the people I met were more than happy to show a curious Englishman with some grasp of the language and a desire to improve that, what it meant to be French.
I suspect the welcome I would have found had I not been that curious might have been different.
We are far too accomodating to those who gave no interest in what it means to be British.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 1, 2024 9:16:04 GMT
When I worked in France, in the years between Maastricht and Lisbon, before the Euro, official documents had to be completed in French. Translation services were paid for by those unable to speak french I personally found for the time I was there, which I admit was not long, that the people I met were more than happy to show a curious Englishman with some grasp of the language and a desire to improve that, what it meant to be French. I suspect the welcome I would have found had I not been that curious might have been different. We are far too accomodating to those who gave no interest in what it means to be British. In the main we have to face the fact that people do not come here to be British or even with any desire to be British, they come for the freedoms to themselves that Britain allows and advocates. Many little realise that that those freedoms they wish for themselves also devolve onto their kith and kin including their wife and children and are also part of the rights of the general populace. Too long we have pandered to the different cultures and their proclivities and now we are reaping the problems we have sown in terms of laws and society. The problems have deep roots and Rushdie was the early warning of what will happen and that it could only become worse; and it has. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 1, 2024 9:26:34 GMT
This is true but it's also true that societies which have placed their hopes in assimilation or integration have not fared noticeably better in terms of racial harmony than those like the UK and Sweden which have made multiculturalism a state policy.
I'm thinking particularly of France and the USA.
Perhaps there is no answer.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 1, 2024 9:33:20 GMT
This is true but it's also true that societies which have placed their hopes in assimilation or integration have not fared noticeably better in terms of racial harmony than those like the UK and Sweden which have made multiculturalism a state policy. I'm thinking particularly of France and the USA. Perhaps there is no answer. There was only ever one answer for any people in any place and that was slow assimilation of any outsider and a determination not to encourage separate lives to be lived and allowing different rules for different groups. Respect and tolerance have a price to pay and we are paying it because they are rarely reciprocated. If we have laws that protect women that applies across the board in all parts of society in all locations. Too often we allow that which we say we abhor to exist for others in our midst. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 1, 2024 9:36:03 GMT
You're describing what ought to be not what actually is.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 1, 2024 9:46:02 GMT
You're describing what ought to be not what actually is. Of course I am but in reality most people were at best comfortable with immigration up to 97, that did not mean problems were not in the offing it just meant that coping was easier. Post 97, and I voted for NewLabour twice, we suddenly found that we had been put upon with a vengeance with the EU free movement, the illegals we were unable to deport, and for whom we also paid the legal costs, and the 'needs' of the economy bringing in shed loads of immigrants. I had never heard of Multiculturalism and Multicultural Britain until Blair referred to them in a speech around about 1999 and it came as a bit of a surprise and I felt a bit of a slight, now I look back in anger. |
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Post by piglet on Apr 1, 2024 9:48:33 GMT
If immigrants seperate themselves from integration then they exclude themselves from education, jobs, advancement of any sort, including wealth. Why choose that? They create mini countries of their birth in this country. Black people who assimilate, like the Tory conservatives and effectively become culturally white are abused by their compatriots, i think the word is coconuts.
Immigrants see the union jack as racist. It seems to me that we might as well gived up, and declare britain not britain. Germany had policies of nazification, turning the ordinary german nazi, something similar is going on here, its called wokery, and it works. Societal engineering. Look at the BBC, radio, all media outlets, its all giving the same message, and that message is that you are ignorant racist as holes. We know best, you need education, you are bad, killers, as in slavery, your existence is wrong because you are racist.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 1, 2024 11:38:36 GMT
Here is an important problem, most hinges on it. Should all immigrants become British, or should they retain their cultural identity, seperate from this country, including language and customs. Not only that but be represented statistically in all walks of life regardless of ability or education. That learning the english language, or writing it in unnescessary. This is the way it is at the moment. If immigrants are excluded from any profession or whatever, then its our fault. We should provide interpreters, culturally friendly environments, food, drink, etc. Integration is not wanted, indeed, harmful, racist, evil. There's no such thing as multiculturalism, it doesn't exist. It is a figment of left wing political imagination nothing more. Multiculturalism like Islamophobia are meaningless words used by lefties to browbeat the majority into silence. |
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