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Post by ratcliff on Apr 5, 2024 14:59:06 GMT
The comments from Righties who excel in denigration, deviations and insults and fail in terms of intelligent debate, puts them bottom of an intelligent individual's shit lists. Righties apparently just cannot help themselves, its the price they pay for being less than a full shilling. Ooops don't forget 'racists' and 'liars', you can't go a post without using those words.  and nonsense , silly as well as uneducated  |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 5, 2024 15:04:16 GMT
There is absolutely no evidence what so ever that "Corbynites are lying dormant waiting to take over", but plenty of evidence to the contrary. You are living in an alternative world of fantasy The Parliamentary Labour Party is overwhelmingly moderate / centre Left, there is virtually no chance of a far Left take over - The NEC is also now controlled by the centre and moderate Left. For there to be a leadership election, it would require an MP to gain the support of 20% of Labour MPs, such a feat will be impossible in order to install a leader of the far Left for the purpose of shifting the party further Left. The Parliamentary candidates for the 2024 general election are overwhelmingly Starmer supporters In the last days of Jeremy Corbyn the membership of the Labour Party was over 530,000 Today party membership is 366,000 - a reduction of 164,000 members, mostly Corbynites. The unsackable shadow deputy 'two houses, possible tax avoiding ginger growler' is neither moderate / centre Left |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 5, 2024 15:04:49 GMT
Ooops don't forget 'racists' and 'liars', you can't go a post without using those words. and nonsense , silly as well as uneducated LOL........ yes of course. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 5, 2024 17:01:10 GMT
I'd love to take your word for it but, given your propensity to be wrong about almost everything, I'll remain a sceptic thanks.
For the record, Powell was an incredibly intelligent man with an ability to understand the issues that far surpasses yours.
Or indeed any other lefty's.
Anyone, who believes that a black person is somehow inferior, and cannot be British, is not intelligent, they are a long way from been intelligent. Powell objected to black people, not because they spoke a different language ( 99.5% spoke English ), and not because they were of a different culture ( almost all were brought up with an Anglo-Caribbean culture ), Powell did not object to black people because they were of a different faith ( almost all were Christians ), no, it was simply because they were a different colour. The world is better off without men of his kind, with his preposterous, outdated and ridiculous views Fool. |
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Post by vlk on Apr 5, 2024 18:55:53 GMT
If there's hung parliament it's possible that next election is the last FPTP-election.
People don't see any point in alternating between tweedledee and tweedledum every 10-15years.
The experience in New Zealand shows that once you go PR you'll never look back.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 5, 2024 18:58:44 GMT
If there's hung parliament it's possible that next election is the last FPTP-election... Let's hope so. |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 5, 2024 22:09:57 GMT
I am a supporter of propotional representatation of some kind, and believe that FPTP is ridiculous
But what good would proportional representation do for the Conservatives or the Right in British politics ?, if you consider that PR would greatly increase the representation of the Lib Dems, the Greens and other progressive, centre and centre left parties, how would it benefit the Right.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 6, 2024 7:03:38 GMT
I am a supporter of propotional representatation of some kind, and believe that FPTP is ridiculous But what good would proportional representation do for the Conservatives or the Right in British politics ?, if you consider that PR would greatly increase the representation of the Lib Dems, the Greens and other progressive, centre and centre left parties, how would it benefit the Right. It would give them a voice in parliament. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 6, 2024 7:27:40 GMT
I am a supporter of propotional representatation of some kind, and believe that FPTP is ridiculous But what good would proportional representation do for the Conservatives or the Right in British politics ?, if you consider that PR would greatly increase the representation of the Lib Dems, the Greens and other progressive, centre and centre left parties, how would it benefit the Right. It would give them a voice in parliament. Of course the right already are over represented in parliament. They have a majority on a minority vote. What you may have this year under PR are much less Tories, but probably more Reform (as long as they run this time). |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 6, 2024 7:33:21 GMT
It would give them a voice in parliament. Of course the right already are over represented in parliament. They have a majority on a minority vote. What you may have this year under PR are much less Tories, but probably more Reform (as long as they run this time). Who are this 'right' that they have a majority in Parliament? - what Parliament are you talking about? |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 6, 2024 10:06:56 GMT
I am a supporter of propotional representatation of some kind, and believe that FPTP is ridiculous But what good would proportional representation do for the Conservatives or the Right in British politics ?, if you consider that PR would greatly increase the representation of the Lib Dems, the Greens and other progressive, centre and centre left parties, how would it benefit the Right. I believe PR will benefit all political views , the right won't be tied to the conservatives anymore than the left wont be tied to Labour . People would be more inclined to vote for what they believe in rather than the best nearest main party . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 6, 2024 10:54:19 GMT
I am a supporter of propotional representatation of some kind, and believe that FPTP is ridiculous But what good would proportional representation do for the Conservatives or the Right in British politics ?, if you consider that PR would greatly increase the representation of the Lib Dems, the Greens and other progressive, centre and centre left parties, how would it benefit the Right. I believe PR will benefit all political views , the right won't be tied to the conservatives anymore than the left wont be tied to Labour . People would be more inclined to vote for what they believe in rather than the best nearest main party . Exactly. Under FPTP I have to vote Labour, but under the PR I'm a more natural LibDem. Tactical voting is a big part of our election process, but PR would do away with that. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 6, 2024 10:56:24 GMT
Of course the right already are over represented in parliament. They have a majority on a minority vote. What you may have this year under PR are much less Tories, but probably more Reform (as long as they run this time). Who are this 'right' that they have a majority in Parliament? - what Parliament are you talking about? I'm not sure what you're saying? 2019? Tory majority on minority vote? |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 6, 2024 15:39:45 GMT
Based on Proportional Representation ( % of votes = % of seats ) the House Of Commons after the 2019 general election would look like this.
Conservatives 286
Labour 208
Lib Dem 78
SNP 26
Green 16
Brexit Party 13
Plaid 03
DUP 05
Sin Fein 04
Alliance 02
SDLP 02
Speaker 01
Others 05 ( Yorkshire Party 1 etc )
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 6, 2024 17:03:57 GMT
Who are this 'right' that they have a majority in Parliament? - what Parliament are you talking about? I'm not sure what you're saying? 2019? Tory majority on minority vote? There is nothing right-wing about the current Tory Government. They are a bunch of One Nation Social Democrats who are indistinguishable from Liberal Democrats. Thatcher wouldn't get a job in the current Tory Party, 50% of their own councillors think that the Party is too left-wing ffs. |
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