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Post by piglet on Mar 31, 2024 10:52:09 GMT
The paradox in leadership is that the more things go wrong, the more obvious what the right thing to do is, Putin getting it right, a moron could do it, and Putin is a moron, look at what hes doing. And not being very diplomatic, i had a belly laugh at that, why are you trying to put over that democracy has ANYTHING to do with Putin?
And taking the piss, what else is there to do, Russians want as sholes like Putin. Mocking Russia and its people should become a national pasttime, every website per the war does.
Russia is an incredibly, incredibly stupid place. Primitive, backward, obsolescent, fked up.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 31, 2024 11:05:29 GMT
Anna Politkovskaya was Russian (and didn't emigrate). Alexander Litvinenko was Russian and fled the dictatorship for his life. Garry Kasparov is Russian and fled the dictatorship for his life. Bill Browder emigrated to Russia in the 90's to do business there, but was persecuted after blowing the whistle on corruption, his friend and accountant Sergei Magnitsky was murdered by the regime. You will get State murders for sure. yet also faction murders where you threaten someones business model and they have access to armed men normally poor ex-soldiers looking to make money. A lot of Russian oligarchs did not want to go back to Russia not because of Putin yet other business factions with the means to fight dirty. At the trial of Abramovich vs Bereszovsky, Abramovich won and Berezovsky was found dead in Surrey some months later. Unexplained yet a suspected murder very cleverly done. The suspicion was he owed money and after he lost the court case they came after him as they thought he would not be able to pay. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 31, 2024 11:09:00 GMT
The remnant KGB took control of the Russian Mafia.
Organised crime goes through them, not around them.
That is why there are sanctions against the oligarchs.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 31, 2024 11:17:27 GMT
The remnant KGB took control of the Russian Mafia. Organised crime goes through them, not around them. That is why there are sanctions against the oligarchs. There was a trade-off if the Oligarchs paid thier taxes they would be left alone to carry on. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 31, 2024 12:08:16 GMT
The remnant KGB took control of the Russian Mafia. Organised crime goes through them, not around them. That is why there are sanctions against the oligarchs. There was a trade-off if the Oligarchs paid thier taxes they would be left alone to carry on. Not really a "tax" as it wasn't to the state, but to Putin who takes 50%. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 31, 2024 12:14:41 GMT
There was a trade-off if the Oligarchs paid thier taxes they would be left alone to carry on. Not really a "tax" as it wasn't to the state, but to Putin who takes 50%. The cost of reading propaganda books is they end up brainwashing you. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 31, 2024 12:22:19 GMT
Those are not propaganda books.
Those are books by people who have witnessed Putin's crimes.
Alexander Litvinenko used to work for the FSB.
He personally knew Putin and was murdered by Putin's hitmen (Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun) who poisoned him at the Millennium Hotel in London when they had a meeting with him on the first of November 2006. He followed his army training and tried to get rid of the poison from his system by inducing vomiting which bought him time. But he still succumbed to its effects.
Anna Politkovskaya worked for Novoya Gazeta, she was an investigative journalist, one of the best. Read her book before you judge it.
She was murdered for a reason.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 31, 2024 12:49:39 GMT
Those are not propaganda books. Those are books by people who have witnessed Putin's crimes. Alexander Litvinenko used to work for the FSB. He personally knew Putin and was murdered by Putin's hitmen (Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun) who poisoned him at the Millennium Hotel in London when they had a meeting with him on the first of November 2006. He followed his army training and tried to get rid of the poison from his system by inducing vomiting which bought him time. But he still succumbed to its effects. Anna Politkovskaya worked for Novoya Gazeta, she was an investigative journalist, one of the best. Read her book before you judge it. She was murdered for a reason. You are deliberately choosing books written by those with an axe to grind, and in the end the only person who gets fooled is you. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 31, 2024 15:17:28 GMT
No, I am looking at who Putin has murdered or attacked and what they had to say.
I am looking at how the man has behaved since coming to power, and how those around him have behaved since 1991.
And you have to remember, in 1991, the KGB tried to overthrow Mikhail Gorbachev.
They put him under house arrest.
Then when coup 1 failed, they tried coup 2 instead.
If there was nothing to those books, Anna Politkovskaya and Alexander Litvinenko would still be alive.
Yuri Shchekochikhin, would not have been murdered.
Sergei Yuschenkov would not have been murdered.
Galina Starovoytova would not have been murdered in 1998.
Chechnya would not have been invaded.
Viktor Yuschenko would not have been poisoned.
Ukraine would not have been attacked for ten years and then fully invaded.
Think about it.
There were treaties in place.
Putin violated those treaties and through his terrorism pushed Ukraine towards the West.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 31, 2024 16:00:09 GMT
No, I am looking at who Putin has murdered or attacked and what they had to say. I am looking at how the man has behaved since coming to power, and how those around him have behaved since 1991. And you have to remember, in 1991, the KGB tried to overthrow Mikhail Gorbachev. They put him under house arrest. Then when coup 1 failed, they tried coup 2 instead. If there was nothing to those books, Anna Politkovskaya and Alexander Litvinenko would still be alive. Yuri Shchekochikhin, would not have been murdered. Sergei Yuschenkov would not have been murdered. Galina Starovoytova would not have been murdered in 1998. Chechnya would not have been invaded. Viktor Yuschenko would not have been poisoned. Ukraine would not have been attacked for ten years and then fully invaded. Think about it. There were treaties in place. Putin violated those treaties and through his terrorism pushed Ukraine towards the West. Meanwhile in Russia this is what life looks like.
and if you want to compare to the UK, this is Bristol
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Post by Vinny on Mar 31, 2024 16:38:08 GMT
No. This is what life in Russia looks like:
And life in occupied territories / territories Putin wants to occupy?
Putin is a criminal.
He needs to be defeated and brought to justice.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 31, 2024 17:01:44 GMT
No. This is what life in Russia looks like: Putin is a criminal. He needs to be defeated and brought to justice. What a load of bollox. The man chose to be arrested. As I mentioned earlier, you get trouble in Russia if you take the piss, and that is exactly what his purpose was. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 31, 2024 17:05:36 GMT
You've ignored all the other videos and you support the video of a man arrested for holding up a blank piece of paper, who was protesting against the absurd anti free speech laws in his country?
And as I mentioned in previous posts, if you have dirt on the regime and stand up to it, the regime murders you.
It even murdered Prigozhin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2024 17:51:55 GMT
You've ignored all the other videos and you support the video of a man arrested for holding up a blank piece of paper, who was protesting against the absurd anti free speech laws in his country? And as I mentioned in previous posts, if you have dirt on the regime and stand up to it, the regime murders you. It even murdered Prigozhin. It seems odd to hate another country for doing what our own country does to its own people. Try protesting in London against anything the establishment are pushing. You'll be in handcuffs within minutes. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 31, 2024 18:14:02 GMT
I don't hate Russia, I don't hate the Russians.
What Putin is doing is killing people.
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