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Post by Vinny on Mar 31, 2024 23:30:47 GMT
Oh don't talk shit. Don't be a little Putin stooge.
Genocide is occurring in Ukraine and you support it.
Over 100,000 Chechens dead and you still promote Putin's propaganda. If you had your way over 100,000 Ukrainian civilians would also be murdered. There's mass graves all over Chechnya, google them, look at the photos of the dead.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 2, 2024 11:04:06 GMT
You and See 2 support NATO .. sign up and fight … you war-mongering cowards … stop hiding behind your keyboards!
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Post by Vinny on Apr 2, 2024 18:06:09 GMT
Well warmonger, I don't care how much it offends you. I support democracy. Ukraine is a sovereign country and who governs them is for the UKRAINIANS not you, to decide. I support Article 1 of the North Atlantic Treaty as well as article 5. You support armed coups, an illegal invasion, war crimes (still haven't seen you condemn the bombing of civilians, power stations, gas supplies, water supplies or dams), you support a regime which has murdered the opposition whilst attacking the West / NATO / Jews. Your arguments are not only rubbish but cowardly. I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees, and every Ukrainian feels the same way. Putin knows he cannot initiate a nuclear war against NATO because there would be no survivors, not even him. So his threats are rather empty. Aid Ukraine, kick him out. Encourage Russia to depose the bastard and rejoin the civilised world. Recent war crime committed by the Putin thugs: www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/31/2-dead-as-russia-escalates-attacks-on-ukraines-energy-infrastructure170,000 homes were left without power. You support this terrorism, stop. Polina and Semyon and their parents were shot dead by Russian riflemen less than four days into the invasion. Their 13 year old sister Sofia was left in a critical condition not knowing her whole family had died in the attack. news.sky.com/story/ukraine-invasion-boy-5-dies-in-hospital-days-after-sister-and-parents-were-shot-dead-by-russian-troops-reports-12557343I opposed the war against Serbia in 1999. I opposed the war against Chechnya. I opposed the war in Iraq. I oppose this. You have defended this. Change your position. Condemn the war crimes Putin's forces have committed.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 2, 2024 20:35:24 GMT
Complete tripe ….
Nobody is on their knees here … we are standing up to NATO, the EU, the CIA, the Israeli tribe and it’s expansionist bullying.
You don’t represent OUR interests.
No one is interested in your war … or Sanctions. Or your bid for World Domination. You are collectively INSANE.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 2, 2024 21:08:35 GMT
What I said is true. Google it warmonger.
Your war against Ukraine is insane. Supporting murder is the same as pulling the trigger yourself.
I hold you equally responsible for war crimes. Your arguments are the same as those of Lord Haw Haw and Oswald Mosley.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 3, 2024 6:45:57 GMT
Nobody here is supporting any war in Ukraine except you and a number of other people who rejected Putin’s offer of a PEACE DEAL in late Feb ‘22 … Stop pretending you care about the wounded and dead that the West were responsible for - from that date onwards … because NATO/EU/Israeli arms dealers (££€€€$$$ kerchiiiinggg) advised/bullied Zelenski to accept money and weapons of war … instead of suing for PEACE … their blood is on the hands of those war-mongers on both sides. This Western policy bankrupted and destroyed Ukraine …. GIve yourselves a 👏👏 … well done … Meanwhile expert military strategists say: The NATO/EU goal was only to remove Russian Naval Bases in Crimea … and deny the Russian Fleet access to the Black Sea and Mediterranean … and it’s new support for a number of West African nations disillusioned with France … now seeking independence. This is the main reason President Macron lost his head and is pushing white indigenous French troops into the killing fields of Ukraine … leaving France open to Islamic rule … and Europe open to nuclear war …. Well done …. Give yourselves another 👏 …. Destruction of the whole of civilisation as we know it …. Nuclear Winter …. ….. and the classic no.1 dumbasses and academic experts that run The Guardian … still think BIDEN is the 13th best U.S. President of ALL TIME! 🤣🫣 ~ No, I am not making this comedic claim up … read for yourself. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/20/presidents-ranking-trump-biden-listBiden is a menace to the security of Europe … a complete NUTTER …and needs to be stopped now….. Just like his headless stupid puppet, Macron.😱 Europe really lost it’s collective heads being steered by the CIA and Israelis running the EU … WORKING to attack Russia … rather than inviting him to join NATO and secure better trading links. This war is just about CIA/Israeli engineered anarchy … nothing more. Well, it’s really going to come back to bite them now …. Do they realise what the effect will be on them physically …. and on their mental health …. Living locked up underground for well over 50 years?? … with only a handful of shared around ‘prostitute’ wives to act as baby-makers to continue the Human Race? Are these frigid Washington Wives really up to the task?? Surely the Nazis were better organised creating their new ‘Master Race’ along Nordic lines?? I wonder what the new breed of American Master Racers will look like … that emerges from these DUMBS after so many years.?? You’re welcome to post funny picture examples below. 🤔 … my guess is an alien grey type with obesity problems … and a mental age close to their wonderful President … Joe Biden - 13th best ever🤣🤪 … that made their lives a misery … for so long!
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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2024 7:05:13 GMT
What a load of FSB Putin regime warmongering rubbish.
Russian riflemen are deliberately shooting Ukrainian civilians including children and you support the war crimes.
You distract from the war crimes with lies, ommissions and distractions and whatabouttery.
Meanwhile the record of war crimes committed by Putin's forces is well documented.
Chechnya is littered with mass graves because it happened there too. And at Katyr Yurt, locals were told by the invaders to follow a "safe corridor" "flying white flags", well, they did, and the Putin thugs bombed that safe corridor with thermobaric bombs. Entire families were slaughtered. Hundreds died.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 3, 2024 10:14:25 GMT
Nobody here is supporting any war in Ukraine except you and a number of other people who rejected Putin’s offer of a PEACE DEAL in late Feb ‘22 Did that "peace deal" include handing back ALL illegally annexed territory to Ukraine, including the Crimea? Because, unless it did it wasn't really a peace deal was it? I was actually "accept what I want or else". When a peace deal is predicated on the invading force getting what it wants it is NOT a peace deal, it is surrender. All The Else
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 3, 2024 23:28:06 GMT
Nobody here is supporting any war in Ukraine except you and a number of other people who rejected Putin’s offer of a PEACE DEAL in late Feb ‘22 Did that "peace deal" include handing back ALL illegally annexed territory to Ukraine, including the Crimea? Because, unless it did it wasn't really a peace deal was it? I was actually "accept what I want or else". When a peace deal is predicated on the invading force getting what it wants it is NOT a peace deal, it is surrender. All The Else To neutral observers … we see this as Ukraine ultra-Right Nationalist racists organising with CIA/NATO/EU help … a continuation of a 20 year terrorism racist campaign against Russian-speaking Ukrainians … a prolonged ethnic cleansing pogrom … that threatened the stability of the south and east of Ukraine. NATO just used these racists to try and leverage a strategic military advantage … to annexe the Russian Fleet out of the Black Sea. Ukraine made a major mistake attacking Russian-speaking Ukrainians… and during the PEACE Talks in Turkey … they realised that mistake lost them those regions forever … because Russia … like America … would NEVER leave their own ancestral people so vulnerable to attack … and ethnic cleansing again. The Odessa Massacre showed these Azov thugs were preparing N*zi style thuggery and genocide for these regions … and Zionist Zelenski was too weak to stop them. The Democratic Votes of those Regions to reject Kiev’s weak rule … convinced the Kremlin they were making the right move and humanitarian decision to save these people of that region from bullying and eventual genocide … like we see from the same Zionist tribe in Gaza. - A disgusting display of inhumanity from Israel and Hamas… which will never be forgotten … or forgiven … just like the Holocaust. Ukraine crossed a line … lost perspective on reality … and Zelenski was a stupid comedian actor who thought he was in a TV Drama … until he faced Putin in Turkish Talks … He was basically called to account in Turkey … and would have gratefully accepted Putin’s terms … surrendered … and made a grovelling apology for long term Azov atrocities … but then the NATO PLAN was offered …. and the idiot was bullied to stupidly accept that. …. Result … the destruction of Ukraine and the flower of Ukraine youth is now dead on the killing fields. 👏👏 … and the Western MSM lies to the World they are “winning”. …. Mud and gore …where French lives …. and stupid British troops will soon lie dead as the CIA and Israel … other war-mongering cowards like hot head Vinny+ Kasparov, stand back and look on unconcerned about the meat grinder they created - safe in their DUMBS M.A.D. will follow. => Nuclear Winter. So which part of this NATO/EU/Soros Posse Plan do you think was a good idea, Pro Veritas??
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 4, 2024 0:23:59 GMT
Did that "peace deal" include handing back ALL illegally annexed territory to Ukraine, including the Crimea? Because, unless it did it wasn't really a peace deal was it? I was actually "accept what I want or else". When a peace deal is predicated on the invading force getting what it wants it is NOT a peace deal, it is surrender. All The Else To neutral observers … we see this as Ukraine ultra-Right Nationalist racists organising with CIA/NATO/EU help … a continuation of a 20 year terrorism racist campaign against Russian-speaking Ukrainians … a prolonged ethnic cleansing pogrom … that threatened the stability of the south and east of Ukraine. NATO just used these racists to try and leverage a strategic military advantage … to annexe the Russian Fleet out of the Black Sea. Ukraine made a major mistake attacking Russian-speaking Ukrainians… and during the PEACE Talks in Turkey … they realised that mistake lost them those regions forever … because Russia … like America … would NEVER leave their own ancestral people so vulnerable to attack … and ethnic cleansing again. The Odessa Massacre showed these Azov thugs were preparing N*zi style thuggery and genocide for these regions … and Zionist Zelenski was too weak to stop them. The Democratic Votes of those Regions to reject Kiev’s weak rule … convinced the Kremlin they were making the right move and humanitarian decision to save these people of that region from bullying and eventual genocide … like we see from the same Zionist tribe in Gaza. - A disgusting display of inhumanity from Israel and Hamas… which will never be forgotten … or forgiven … just like the Holocaust. Ukraine crossed a line … lost perspective on reality … and Zelenski was a stupid comedian actor who thought he was in a TV Drama … until he faced Putin in Turkish Talks … He was basically called to account in Turkey … and would have gratefully accepted Putin’s terms … surrendered … and made a grovelling apology for long term Azov atrocities … but then the NATO PLAN was offered …. and the idiot was bullied to stupidly accept that. …. Result … the destruction of Ukraine and the flower of Ukraine youth is now dead on the killing fields. 👏👏 … and the Western MSM lies to the World they are “winning”. …. Mud and gore …where French lives …. and stupid British troops will soon lie dead as the CIA and Israel … other war-mongering cowards like hot head Vinny+ Kasparov, stand back and look on unconcerned about the meat grinder they created - safe in their DUMBS M.A.D. will follow. => Nuclear Winter. So which part of this NATO/EU/Soros Posse Plan do you think was a good idea, Pro Veritas?? So, who is neutral? Surely not the Putin apologist? The votes in Crimea were rigged. A source from INSIDE Russia claims the vote result was falsified. You like and trust Russian sources, right? All The Best
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Post by Vinny on Apr 4, 2024 6:22:17 GMT
To neutral observers … we see this as Ukraine ultra-Right Nationalist racists organising with CIA/NATO/EU help … a continuation of a 20 year terrorism racist campaign against Russian-speaking Ukrainians … a prolonged ethnic cleansing pogrom … that threatened the stability of the south and east of Ukraine. NATO just used these racists to try and leverage a strategic military advantage … to annexe the Russian Fleet out of the Black Sea. Ukraine made a major mistake attacking Russian-speaking Ukrainians… and during the PEACE Talks in Turkey … they realised that mistake lost them those regions forever … because Russia … like America … would NEVER leave their own ancestral people so vulnerable to attack … and ethnic cleansing again. The Odessa Massacre showed these Azov thugs were preparing N*zi style thuggery and genocide for these regions … and Zionist Zelenski was too weak to stop them. The Democratic Votes of those Regions to reject Kiev’s weak rule … convinced the Kremlin they were making the right move and humanitarian decision to save these people of that region from bullying and eventual genocide … like we see from the same Zionist tribe in Gaza. - A disgusting display of inhumanity from Israel and Hamas… which will never be forgotten … or forgiven … just like the Holocaust. Ukraine crossed a line … lost perspective on reality … and Zelenski was a stupid comedian actor who thought he was in a TV Drama … until he faced Putin in Turkish Talks … He was basically called to account in Turkey … and would have gratefully accepted Putin’s terms … surrendered … and made a grovelling apology for long term Azov atrocities … but then the NATO PLAN was offered …. and the idiot was bullied to stupidly accept that. …. Result … the destruction of Ukraine and the flower of Ukraine youth is now dead on the killing fields. 👏👏 … and the Western MSM lies to the World they are “winning”. …. Mud and gore …where French lives …. and stupid British troops will soon lie dead as the CIA and Israel … other war-mongering cowards like hot head Vinny+ Kasparov, stand back and look on unconcerned about the meat grinder they created - safe in their DUMBS M.A.D. will follow. => Nuclear Winter. So which part of this NATO/EU/Soros Posse Plan do you think was a good idea, Pro Veritas?? So, who is neutral? Surely not the Putin apologist? The votes in Crimea were rigged. A source from INSIDE Russia claims the vote result was falsified. You like and trust Russian sources, right? Exactly, a referendum at gunpoint is no referendum at all. And the invading bastards have been kidnapping Ukrainian kids. He supports land theft, traditional theft, murder and genocide whilst denying that Putin is a crook. So is he being paid to post such rubbish, or is he doing it for free?
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 4, 2024 9:44:41 GMT
Exactly, a referendum at gunpoint is no referendum at all. And the invading bastards have been kidnapping Ukrainian kids. He supports land theft, traditional theft, murder and genocide whilst denying that Putin is a crook. So is he being paid to post such rubbish, or is he doing it for free? You know my opinion is independent … and for FREE Vinny … maybe you should pay me for this level of education? ********** Re: your points above …. Firstly troops were at polling stations during these elections … not to bully and intimidate these Communities how to vote … but to STOP bullying and intimidation and threats perpetrated by ultra-Right Nationalists linked to Azov N*zis (that engineered the Odessa Massacre in 2010) stopping people voting, having a free vote …. This had occurred during a number of previous elections … with Government buildings also invaded by these bullies backed by NATO and the EU … who were desperate to get into the Country, steal land and resources … install a new military threat against Russia … and shut down Russia’s once secure Naval Bases in Crimea. …. To achieve this new advancement to further advantage in the Cold War … all the West and NATO/EU had to do was turn a blind eye to ethnic cleansing, Zelenski’s Eugenics Programme … and the future slow genocide of Russian-speaking Ukrainians from these regions … places these Families had always lived! NATO and the EU had no Right to displace them … but just used the Far Right to displace them. A foul nasty Agenda … accelerated by the visit of VP Biden and the CIA in 2014.Now do you see the logic of this situation more clearly. … it’s a sh*t show tragedy. Here is an article that gives the Western view of these elections … they claim were ‘rigged’ … Was it rigged like Trump claimed 2020 was rigged by a narrow majority?? You decide: theconversation.com/ukraine-war-how-the-wests-weak-reaction-to-crimeas-referendum-paved-the-way-for-a-wider-invasion-20126994.9% is a whopping mandate … who would rig an election to that degree? … the FSB/KGB isn’t stupid … if they were going to rig an election … and make a ton of false ballots to ship in during an overnight count … they would engineer a 70/30% ratio win … or something like that. From the article above … it looks like there was a massive swing in favour of Russian intervention and independence from Kiev …Was it the Odessa Massacre, burning of Orthodox churches and pro-EU politicians caught in corruption scandals that convinced them to ‘landslide’ turnout … when they saw polling stations were FINALLY secure places to post their opinion?? -Zelenski maladministration NEVER gave them that voting security before … with shootings, burning, intimidation causing fear and low turn-outs before. … arguably engineered by a joint Azov/CIA Strategy … often used in African and Central/South American elections … (as revealed in historic memoirs of CIA operatives) I know opinion polls mean nothing …. but buried at the bottom of this article is the VITAL clue that these regions voted for annexation …. and separation.What did Crimean people want?The result of 96.7% of Crimean people voting to join Russia always looked suspect.
There are plenty of signs that those who were involved in the March 16 referendum knew the whole thing was a farce. Igor Girkin, a former Russian army and security services officer involved in the Crimean annexation – and subsequent war in Donbas – said that the referendum was a sham.
A report posted on the president of Russia’s council on civil society and human rights website – which was taken down almost immediately – stated that the participation was likely far less than 50%. Putin has admitted the Crimean annexation was ordered weeks before the referendum and that Russian soldiers were deployed “to help the inhabitants express their opinion”.
The options on the ballot were joining Russia or reverting to the 1992 autonomy statute. The latter gave the Crimean parliament the power to secede to Russia, an option deputies had already stated would happen if Crimeans didn’t vote the “right” way.
Previous polls may give some indications of Crimean feelings. From 2008 to 2011 the number of Crimean residents who saw Ukraine as their motherland rose from 32% to 71.3%, according to one report. An International Republican Institute poll in 2013 found that 53% of Crimeans wanted autonomy within Ukraine and 23% wanted to join Russia.
Two days before the referendum, a poll found 70% claiming that they’d vote to join Russia. If respondents were given other options – like an independent Crimea – support for joining Russia fell to 53.8%.
However, US academics found that 85% of Crimeans believed Crimea was moving in the right direction a year after annexation.”So there we have it … support for annexation was confirmed a year later … so the opinion poll hinted at the massive swing … which gave Putin’s intervention legitimacy and legality … if you believe protecting the democratic vote of a Community … is paramount. … If you are TRULY DEMOCRATIC … you must RESPECT THAT VOTE … THAT MANDATE. BREXIT taught us that the WEST no longer respects voted mandates. Lesson learned.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 4, 2024 10:02:29 GMT
Crimea was invaded, the people held at gunpoint, one protester (Reshat Ametov) was murdered www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/18/crimea-disappeared-man-found-killed and you believe the propaganda of the invader. Don't be naive. www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/3/19/russia-continues-to-oppress-crimeas-tatarsCrimea voted by an enormous majority for independence from Russia in 1991, nothing has changed for them they want the invaders out. It's Crimeans who bombed Saky airbase. And in Crimea, 20 percent of the population were exterminated during the 1932-33 Holodomor terror famine, a terror famine in which five million Ukrainians were murdered. Crimean Tatars have been historically persecuted by the Russians. You have no idea what you are talking about. You have been brainwashed by Putin's lies.
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 4, 2024 15:44:09 GMT
So there we have it … support for annexation was confirmed a year later … so the opinion poll hinted at the massive swing … which gave Putin’s intervention legitimacy and legality … if you believe protecting the democratic vote of a Community … is paramount. … If you are TRULY DEMOCRATIC … you must RESPECT THAT VOTE … THAT MANDATE. BREXIT taught us that the WEST no longer respects voted mandates. Lesson learned. Oh you do talk utter rubbish don't you. An Opinion Poll is NOT a Referendum. There was a Referendum, but even Russia admits that was rigged. Brexit? We voted FOR Brexit. We GOT Brexit. How does that show that "voted mandates" a no longer respected? FFS it shows the EXACT OPPOSITE. Do you actually even understand how Democracy works? From you inane nonsense in this thread I don't think that you do. All The Best
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 5, 2024 9:15:05 GMT
An Opinion Poll is NOT a Referendum. There was a Referendum, but even Russia admits that was rigged. Brexit? We voted FOR Brexit. We GOT Brexit. How does that show that "voted mandates" a no longer respected? FFS it shows the EXACT OPPOSITE. Do you actually even understand how Democracy works? From you inane nonsense in this thread I don't think that you do. All The Best Elections are always disputed by the losers … even a few Russians must have been shocked by the massive swing away from Kiev control …. the question is … were Russian troops stationed to intimidate people … or were they allowing these people to finally turn out to vote without fear and intimidation? … after years of suppression and terror attacks around polling stations by Azov/N*zi Ukrainians? Local Reports show the turnout was very high. If I had been living in fear like that between 2008-2011 … I would have jumped at the chance to make a vote … before suppression and EU/CIA-sponsored terrorism descended. it was clear comedian/actor Zelenski was easily manipulated. …. NATO/EU proved that after the Peace Talks …. he’s a chameleon actor who says ‘yes’ to every bully that steps into the room. Putin in Turkey, poodle Biden/NATO delivery boy Boris Johnson soon after. His ‘spine/backbone’ is made of jelly. He’s a willing lapdog, like BJ … and they throw him a bone! … giving him a few mansions and an Estate … like they gave Tony Blair over his WMD’s in Iraq lie … Ursula van der Leyen’s N*zi Party grandfather engineered Hitler grabbing Ukraine back in WW2. www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2022/11/12/ursula-von-der-leyens-nazi-grandfatherNOTHING CHANGES … HISTORY REPEATING. The key here is: “US academics found that 85% of Crimeans believed Crimea was moving in the right direction a year after annexation.” It doesn’t matter what a few Russians or observer groups thought at the time. It’s what the Crimea and Donbass feel now … respect that! My guess is Putin/Kremlin intent was to save these regions from a possible future genocide. … tragically the EU/NATO EXTREMISTS engineered interference and ambition to go to war … to annexe the Russian fleet access to the Med …. was a very BAD MOVE … created another genocide … and soon a nuclear war … if my predictions are correct ….. sadly killing many innocent people … but not the cowards responsible … hiding in DUMBS … sabre-rattling to make it happen. EVIL MONSTERS … LIKE NETANYAHU. This Kremlin intervention initially had legitimacy and legality … because the secret CIA/NATO military advisor activity in Ukraine from 2010 => 2022 and onwards broke the conditions of the North Atlantic Treaty. If you believe protecting the democratic vote of a Community … and defending civilian lives … is paramount. Respect the Crimea/Donbass VOTE.
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