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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 19, 2024 10:19:44 GMT
MPs throw out Lords changes to Rwanda Bill as Sunak seeks to get deportation flights off ground in weeks MPs threw out all 10 Lords amendments on the deeply controversial Rwanda Bill on Monday night as Rishi Sunak seeks to get deportation flights off the ground within weeks. The Rwanda Bill, needed to pave the way for the flights, is yet to get approval from Parliament but is expected to do so shortly after further rows between the Lords and Commons. MPs voted by majorities ranging from 69 to 78 to reject 10 amendments made to the Bill by peers, an indication of a relatively stress-free Monday for the Government. This included an amendment which sought to identify and protect victims of modern slavery and human trafficking from being removed to Rwanda without their consent. Another would have offered protections for asylum seekers claiming to be unaccompanied children while the last one sought to exempt people from removal to Rwanda if they put themselves in harm's way by working with the UK armed forces or UK Government overseas. linkDid anyone watch it last night? I laughed as I watched the speaker, or acting deputy speaker, after each division he read out the results and after all amendments had been voted on the result was: Lords 0 - 10 MP's. Excellent result.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 19, 2024 17:21:10 GMT
Good news. It sounds like most of the suggested amendments were absolute bullshit.
If this gets through I wonder if Starmer will actually reverse it.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 19, 2024 17:38:05 GMT
Good news. It sounds like most of the suggested amendments were absolute bullshit. If this gets through I wonder if Starmer will actually reverse it. He says he will reverse it, and on this issue, I believe him.
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Post by Orac on Mar 19, 2024 17:44:53 GMT
Good news. It sounds like most of the suggested amendments were absolute bullshit. If this gets through I wonder if Starmer will actually reverse it. He says he will reverse it, and on this issue, I believe him. Indeed. Even if they didn't, I can't see them putting much energy into shipping their voters to Rwanda and deterring new ones arriving
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 19, 2024 17:49:33 GMT
They havn't cleared the hurdles yet, opposition Lords are going to put back some of the ammendments when it goes back to The Lords, and if succesfull will at the very least delay the Bill becoming law.
Next, will come more legal challenges, and beyond that there's some strong hints from trade unions that they will refuse to co-operate with the deportations, knowing that the Supreme Court have categorically stated that deportations could lead to human rights abuses.
But I suppose that at £2 MILLION per person deported, its a really good way of spending tax payers money.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 19, 2024 18:14:37 GMT
He says he will reverse it, and on this issue, I believe him. Indeed. Even if they didn't, I can't see them putting much energy into shipping their voters to Rwanda and deterring new ones arriving And not only will Labour not fly them to Rwanda, they will import more from the EU. And why wouldn't they, as you say every illegal is a vote for Labour.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 19, 2024 18:38:43 GMT
They havn't cleared the hurdles yet, opposition Lords are going to put back some of the ammendments when it goes back to The Lords, and if succesfull will at the very least delay the Bill becoming law. Next, will come more legal challenges, and beyond that there's some strong hints from trade unions that they will refuse to co-operate with the deportations, knowing that the Supreme Court have categorically stated that deportations could lead to human rights abuses. But I suppose that at £2 MILLION per person deported, its a really good way of spending tax payers money. No doubt about it, the Lords will obviously attempt to delay prevaricate and slow things down as much as possible, which suggests they are more of a protest chamber than a revising chamber, but hey they know they're safe with Labour. The Supreme Court, another Blair monstrosity. It should be scrapped along with his Human Rights Act. Blair not only changed this country forever but he put in place legislation that ensured future governments couldn't easilly change it. And he still didn't get to be unelected EU president, lol he must have been gutted. You left wing spineless anti English morons are fond of carping on about the rights of illegals and foreign criminals, but what about the rights of English people who were never asked if they wanted their country cities towns and neighbourhoods changed forever, and if they were stupid enough to comment they were shouted down as nasty bigoted far right extremists. You lot laughed at UKIP, and as Farage famously said, you're not laughing now. Today you're laughing at Reform UK, you lefties don't learn do you.
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Post by Orac on Mar 19, 2024 18:38:50 GMT
Indeed. Even if they didn't, I can't see them putting much energy into shipping their voters to Rwanda and deterring new ones arriving And not only will Labour not fly them to Rwanda, they will import more from the EU. And why wouldn't they, as you say every illegal is a vote for Labour. If the electorate wont agree with the how the government wants to run its country, they will be replaced with another one. It's kind of the inverse of the way democracy is supposed to work ie with the electorate replacing governments
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 19, 2024 18:42:20 GMT
And not only will Labour not fly them to Rwanda, they will import more from the EU. And why wouldn't they, as you say every illegal is a vote for Labour. If the electorate wont agree with the how the government wants to run its country, they will be replaced with another one. It's kind of the inverse of the way democracy is supposed to work ie with the electorate replacing governments And it's working, look at Londonistan.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 19, 2024 20:20:53 GMT
Good news. It sounds like most of the suggested amendments were absolute bullshit. If this gets through I wonder if Starmer will actually reverse it. I agree with Red
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 19, 2024 20:41:53 GMT
Good news. It sounds like most of the suggested amendments were absolute bullshit. If this gets through I wonder if Starmer will actually reverse it. I agree with Red Well said H, you know it makes sense.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 19, 2024 20:45:24 GMT
Well said H, you know it makes sense.
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 19, 2024 21:09:46 GMT
They havn't cleared the hurdles yet, opposition Lords are going to put back some of the ammendments when it goes back to The Lords, and if succesfull will at the very least delay the Bill becoming law. Next, will come more legal challenges, and beyond that there's some strong hints from trade unions that they will refuse to co-operate with the deportations, knowing that the Supreme Court have categorically stated that deportations could lead to human rights abuses. But I suppose that at £2 MILLION per person deported, its a really good way of spending tax payers money. No doubt about it, the Lords will obviously attempt to delay prevaricate and slow things down as much as possible, which suggests they are more of a protest chamber than a revising chamber, but hey they know they're safe with Labour. The Supreme Court, another Blair monstrosity. It should be scrapped along with his Human Rights Act. Blair not only changed this country forever but he put in place legislation that ensured future governments couldn't easilly change it. And he still didn't get to be unelected EU president, lol he must have been gutted. You left wing spineless anti English morons are fond of carping on about the rights of illegals and foreign criminals, but what about the rights of English people who were never asked if they wanted their country cities towns and neighbourhoods changed forever, and if they were stupid enough to comment they were shouted down as nasty bigoted far right extremists. You lot laughed at UKIP, and as Farage famously said, you're not laughing now. Today you're laughing at Reform UK, you lefties don't learn do you. The UK was one of the only nations in the democratic world without a PROPER supreme court, we had an utterly preposterous situation where The House Of Lords was the senior court of appeal. The creation of The United Kingdom Supreme Court made the court of final appeal more independent, and weakened political ties, which has got to be a good thing. Every European nation excluding Belaruss and Russia ( which says a lot ) are party to the ECHR, including nations on the fringes of Europe, Turkey and Azerbaijan, and there is virtually no possibility of withdrawal from the ECHR as a majority of MPs from the four main political partys ( Con, Lab, LibDem, SNP ) are in favour of retention. Creating level playing fields as regards to The Law, International Law, including international treaties and conventions which safeguard life and liberty is what its all about. Nations who are party to the ECHR would not for example be allowed to have a "Guantanamo Bay", where "SUSPECTS" can be held indefinately without trial. Yet when foreign agents or foreign governments hold Americans without trial, the Americans call them "hostages". You people of "The Populist Right" would protest if a British soldier was taken to court for murdering or executing an Iraqi civillian, but would also protest if an Iraqi murdered a British citizen. You cannot have justice which works only one way, but not the opposite way, it HAS TO be equal justice for all. As that old saying goes "The Law is THE LAW"
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 19, 2024 21:42:46 GMT
The UK was one of the only nations in the democratic world without a PROPER supreme court, we had an utterly preposterous situation where The House Of Lords was the senior court of appeal. The creation of The United Kingdom Supreme Court made the court of final appeal more independent, and weakened political ties, which has got to be a good thing. Every European nation excluding Belaruss and Russia ( which says a lot ) are party to the ECHR, including nations on the fringes of Europe, Turkey and Azerbaijan, and there is virtually no possibility of withdrawal from the ECHR as a majority of MPs from the four main political partys ( Con, Lab, LibDem, SNP ) are in favour of retention. Creating level playing fields as regards to The Law, International Law, including international treaties and conventions which safeguard life and liberty is what its all about. Nations who are party to the ECHR would not for example be allowed to have a "Guantanamo Bay", where "SUSPECTS" can be held indefinately without trial. Yet when foreign agents or foreign governments hold Americans without trial, the Americans call them "hostages". You people of "The Populist Right" would protest if a British soldier was taken to court for murdering or executing an Iraqi civillian, but would also protest if an Iraqi murdered a British citizen. You cannot have justice which works only one way, but not the opposite way, it HAS TO be equal justice for all. As that old saying goes "The Law is THE LAW" Pillock, you've been cutting & snipping havent you, lol. This like educating a child. The great charter of 1215 put in writing that no man was above the law. England and later Great Britan gave the world the rule of law ffs, yet you, president Blair and no doubt other pro EU outraged lefties are of the opinion that our courts, our High Court and Court of Appeal were not good enough, that a supreme court was required and to even suggest that Blairs supreme court is more independent, and weakened political ties is hilarious. You do not know your subject. The ECHR was a worthwhile peice of legislation when penned in the late 1940's when there were millions of displaced people in a war torn Europe. 70 years later the world and Europe is a very different place, everything has changed everything has moved on, apart from outdated legislation which desperately needs massive reform or preferably, scrapping. The ECHR and the ECtHR do not represent modern 21st century Europe and if the British government had any sense they would repeal the ECHR and withdraw from the jurisdiction of the ECtHR. England and Great Britain do not need guidance from foreign courts. Grow a backbone man, and don't presume to tell me about British soldiers.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 19, 2024 22:21:01 GMT
No doubt about it, the Lords will obviously attempt to delay prevaricate and slow things down as much as possible, which suggests they are more of a protest chamber than a revising chamber, but hey they know they're safe with Labour. The Supreme Court, another Blair monstrosity. It should be scrapped along with his Human Rights Act. Blair not only changed this country forever but he put in place legislation that ensured future governments couldn't easilly change it. And he still didn't get to be unelected EU president, lol he must have been gutted. You left wing spineless anti English morons are fond of carping on about the rights of illegals and foreign criminals, but what about the rights of English people who were never asked if they wanted their country cities towns and neighbourhoods changed forever, and if they were stupid enough to comment they were shouted down as nasty bigoted far right extremists. You lot laughed at UKIP, and as Farage famously said, you're not laughing now. Today you're laughing at Reform UK, you lefties don't learn do you. The UK was one of the only nations in the democratic world without a PROPER supreme court, we had an utterly preposterous situation where The House Of Lords was the senior court of appeal. The creation of The United Kingdom Supreme Court made the court of final appeal more independent, and weakened political ties, which has got to be a good thing. Every European nation excluding Belaruss and Russia ( which says a lot ) are party to the ECHR, including nations on the fringes of Europe, Turkey and Azerbaijan, and there is virtually no possibility of withdrawal from the ECHR as a majority of MPs from the four main political partys ( Con, Lab, LibDem, SNP ) are in favour of retention. Russia ratified the ECHR in 1998 - that didn't stop them invading Ukraine..
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