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Post by thescotsman on Mar 19, 2024 17:06:04 GMT
..no.... I don't think we do and neither by the by is "blighty" compared to China and the 豆腐渣工程 - is that right? The China where everything looks great until you peek juuuust that little bit closer and discover its actually cheapo nasty crap...tofu dreg...I understand is the term. As a paid shill I know it's your job to natter on about how great this image of China is but that's the problem with China....it's all image over substance. The optics of failure...like burying the high speed train after the crash with the bodies still in it rather then carrying out any investigation as to why it actually crashed in the first place!! Can you imagine the problems of actually investigating the reasons why the trains crash or the buildings collapse or the roads subside or the appearance of those massive urban sink holes or the brand new tunnels that fill with water. Anyway...I'd agree this country isn't perfect but I'd rather be here than under Xi and his image police's malevolent gaze. China is now considered world leaders in civil engineering. They built a 1000m line 3000m above sea level through the Himalayan mountains. Have you any idea how difficult that is? Go and find out for yourself. yeah sure....will it last more than a few years before it collapses...that's the problem you have.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 19, 2024 17:22:38 GMT
China is now considered world leaders in civil engineering. They built a 1000m line 3000m above sea level through the Himalayan mountains. Have you any idea how difficult that is? Go and find out for yourself. yeah sure....will it last more than a few years before it collapses...that's the problem you have. You are just mouthing off any old crap.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 19, 2024 19:34:10 GMT
..no.... I don't think we do and neither by the by is "blighty" compared to China and the 豆腐渣工程 - is that right? The China where everything looks great until you peek juuuust that little bit closer and discover its actually cheapo nasty crap...tofu dreg...I understand is the term. As a paid shill I know it's your job to natter on about how great this image of China is but that's the problem with China....it's all image over substance. The optics of failure...like burying the high speed train after the crash with the bodies still in it rather then carrying out any investigation as to why it actually crashed in the first place!! Can you imagine the problems of actually investigating the reasons why the trains crash or the buildings collapse or the roads subside or the appearance of those massive urban sink holes or the brand new tunnels that fill with water. Anyway...I'd agree this country isn't perfect but I'd rather be here than under Xi and his image police's malevolent gaze. China is now considered world leaders in civil engineering. They built a 1000m line 3000m above sea level through the Himalayan mountains. Have you any idea how difficult that is? Go and find out for yourself. I doubt it's that hard. The japanesese showed them how it was done in burma after all. You just need a few hundred surplus Moslems Reuter's AP account of the train crash is quite interesting. I'm not sure I know of any western country that digs holes, crushes train carriages and drivers cabs to destroy the evidence of piracy of foreign systems and then buried the wreckage as bodies fall out while the wreckage is craned off the track and dropped in the hole I don't know what you call such a country but 'a world leader in civil engineering' is not my first choice. I get that you have relatives there who will disappear to a death camp if you don't push the line Xi demands but there really are times you should that that chap 'comical ali' who stood in Iraq's TV station broadcasting that there were no American troops in Baghdad while Storming Norman's boys could be SEEN shooting Presidential Guard forces in the street outside on his own camera feeds....
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 19, 2024 20:15:49 GMT
China is now considered world leaders in civil engineering. They built a 1000m line 3000m above sea level through the Himalayan mountains. Have you any idea how difficult that is? Go and find out for yourself. I doubt it's that hard. The japanesese showed them how it was done in burma after all. You just need a few hundred surplus Moslems Reuter's AP account of the train crash is quite interesting. I'm not sure I know of any western country that digs holes, crushes train carriages and drivers cabs to destroy the evidence of piracy of foreign systems and then buried the wreckage as bodies fall out while the wreckage is craned off the track and dropped in the hole I don't know what you call such a country but 'a world leader in civil engineering' is not my first choice. I get that you have relatives there who will disappear to a death camp if you don't push the line Xi demands but there really are times you should that that chap 'comical ali' who stood in Iraq's TV station broadcasting that there were no American troops in Baghdad while Storming Norman's boys could be SEEN shooting Presidential Guard forces in the street outside on his own camera feeds.... Everything is easy until the Brits try it.
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 20, 2024 9:54:33 GMT
yeah sure....will it last more than a few years before it collapses...that's the problem you have. You are just mouthing off any old crap. aaaaaaaand there we go...the façade of the shill buckles....But seriously, don't you think that pretending that everything in China is perfect is the exact reason why you are in this situation? Hiding all the mistakes and subsequent deaths and hiding all the corruption and its ramifications and pretending none of it is real...pretending everything is rosey...all it does is allow the corruption and graft to perpetuate. You and all the other China shills sing a good song but ultimately reality always kicks in.
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 20, 2024 10:11:03 GMT
China is now considered world leaders in civil engineering. They built a 1000m line 3000m above sea level through the Himalayan mountains. Have you any idea how difficult that is? Go and find out for yourself. I doubt it's that hard. The japanesese showed them how it was done in burma after all. You just need a few hundred surplus Moslems Reuter's AP account of the train crash is quite interesting. I'm not sure I know of any western country that digs holes, crushes train carriages and drivers cabs to destroy the evidence of piracy of foreign systems and then buried the wreckage as bodies fall out while the wreckage is craned off the track and dropped in the holeI don't know what you call such a country but 'a world leader in civil engineering' is not my first choice. I get that you have relatives there who will disappear to a death camp if you don't push the line Xi demands but there really are times you should that that chap 'comical ali' who stood in Iraq's TV station broadcasting that there were no American troops in Baghdad while Storming Norman's boys could be SEEN shooting Presidential Guard forces in the street outside on his own camera feeds.... Bury the train and the problem goes away....it didn't crash....what train? This is the reason that the likes of China and Russia et al are creating sovereign internets so they can manage the information that their people get. Additionally, they employ shills like Baron here to promote China and it's so called achievements to the outside world. They make smart videos and make up smart headlines proclaiming ground breaking doohdads and the world's first whatsnot...it's just about all bullshit. Everything about China is message management. There was another story recently of a tunnel mouth that collapsed causing a landslide which took out a fair stretch of the motorway...the road wasn't open at the time so there were no motorists were caught just some unfortunate workers killed in the tunnel. Apart from all the issues with the tunnel/tunnel mouth/slope preparation etc. which were legion, there was a picture of some of the road during the landslide and all they had done was laid a tarmac wearing surface over the soil...literally no foundations or any preparation work; they'd simply laid a number of layers of tarmac over the grass....that's a motorway in China
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 20, 2024 10:55:40 GMT
Everything is easy until the Brits try it.
Well, let's be honest, the europeans have their own wierd shite when it comes to tunnels, satanic shit, marcing zombies and all
but i guess 57 km under the alps is not exactly a doddle, and if you were making an honest assessment, the channel tunnel was not too shabby an achievement either, not exactly a walk in the bloody park but we got the job done after a few false starts over a few hundred years But exactly what this has to do with bringing swift and final retribution to our convicted criminals that deserve it because we can't afford to keep them locked up and they're too dangerous to be left to roam our streets rather beats me
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 20, 2024 11:54:34 GMT
Each convicted criminal costs us about 60-75K a year to keep in a cell. A length of rope sufficient for the task costs about £9.95 in B&Q Great, if we have a police force and judiciary free of corruption, and incapable of making mistakes. But we don't. We have a Police Force with dangerous levels of corruption, institutional levels of both racism and sexism, often controlled by member of a semi-secret society, and which has been known to fit people up to make it look like they know what they are doing. We have a judiciary that is laden with members of the same semi-secret society; and that has shown it can make egregious errors in even relatively straightforward cases. Under those circumstances it would foolish, dangerous, and arguably criminally negligent to reintroduce the death-penalty. I am not opposed to the death penalty for some crimes, but we need better policing and a better judiciary before we do so, IMO. All The Best So very true … but it’s the attacks on internal critics, whistle-blowers and dissidents ~ whose goal isn’t to tear down the State … but iron out injustices and improve Administration … which is most worrying … both sides of the Pond. Certain factions have disproportionate influence to hamper fast track justice and refuse us a death penalty deterrent for the worst crimes that so damage our Communities. We should NEVER put the human rights of criminals and the Ruling Elite above the human rights of victims and their families … and that is where the Western Justice System completely lost it’s way … when Religious Factions were let in … to take control of it - corruption exploded exponentially. …. And in the long term, arguably destroyed modern Western Society to the point we are today … pretty anarchic … and economically broke … slaves to bank loans and the demands of bankers. => Totalitarian bullying. …. not what we wanted at all. A State of Lawlessness … a Western situation where the ‘Cream’ no longer wants to rises to the top … because the air up there is so polluted and corrupt … and the ‘dogs’ will tear you apart … especially the innocent. Yet in China … I wonder if the Xi Regime quite generates that ‘fear’ … maybe the ‘death vans’ created a climate of safety … of equality … where even executed Chinese billionaires who murdered citizens/committed bad economic crimes were made an example … brought crashing to earth … before being buried in it! 🤔 Questions Googled … How many billionaires has China executed?Citing a 2011 Forbes article that quoted Chinese media, Rachman noted that 72 Chinese billionaires had died prematurely in the eight years prior: 14 had been executed, 15 had been murdered, 17 had died by suicide, seven had died from accidents, and 19 had died from diseases. …. and more recently … Who was the Chinese CEO sentenced to death?Lai Xiaomin, former chairman of one of China's biggest state-owned bad debt managers, was the last senior executive in the sector to be given a death sentence. He was sentenced in January 2021 and executed in the same month. Who was the banker sentenced to death in China?A Chinese court has handed a suspended death sentence to Tian Huiyu, an ex-president of China Merchants Bank and previously the right-hand man of the country's former economic tsar, on charges including bribery and insider trading. No wonder some of the more corrupt billionaires are fleeing …. .but most genuine honest ones are staying. Why are Chinese billionaires leaving China?Of the world's estimated 2,640 billionaires, at least 562 are thought to be in China, according to Forbes, down from 607 last year. With crackdowns on financiers and a roiling political climate, many of China's rich people are looking to move their money, and themselves, out of the country. You are just mouthing off any old crap. aaaaaaaand there we go...the façade of the shill buckles....But seriously, don't you think that pretending that everything in China is perfect is the exact reason why you are in this situation? Hiding all the mistakes and subsequent deaths and hiding all the corruption and its ramifications and pretending none of it is real...pretending everything is rosey...all it does is allow the corruption and graft to perpetuate. You and all the other China shills sing a good song but ultimately reality always kicks in. There is nothing wrong with Baron promoting and educating us as to the incredible advances in technology and engineering the Chinese have made … yes … with inevitable casualties and human rights failures … but don’t all great Empires suffer that? … Greek, Roman, Ottoman, EUROPEAN Colonialism … current crumbling American Imperialism also built on the Slave Trade. …. You sound a tad bitter about these Russian and Chinese transformations out of Communist tyrannies where Gulags murdered millions?? Why? … As a Western Administrator … I guess it shines a mirror reflecting how poor Western leadership is today?! … for obvious reasons. If Chinese engineering was so crap, why did America and Apple go there to secure so much of their manufacturing? Your views on that are out-dated to say the least. … Surely a drastic drop in State sanctioned murder from the days of Stalin and Mao is to be applauded?? …. and the fast track executions of corrupt criminal billionaires is something 99% of Westerners would happily endorse …. A pity Western wishy-washy bullying religious lobbying liberals put criminal rights above victim rights and we don’t get what Society needs … effective deterrents. …. only done because their economies arguably run on the suffering of those ☠️victims and their relatives.🤔
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Post by Vinny on Mar 20, 2024 12:00:30 GMT
China is a dictatorship which has murdered millions and presently has slave labour. It churns out spyware and malware. It is a corrupt dictatorship which you endorse because you are so blinkered in your hatred of the west.
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 20, 2024 12:10:59 GMT
If Chinese engineering was so crap, why did America and Apple go there to secure so much of their manufacturing?
Simples: Cheap Labour = Higher Profit Margins. If the Labour is cheap enough it doesn't even matter if Quality Control is lacking, just churn out more product units until you get good ones. All The Best
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 20, 2024 12:28:17 GMT
If Chinese engineering was so crap, why did America and Apple go there to secure so much of their manufacturing?
Simples: Cheap Labour = Higher Profit Margins. If the Labour is cheap enough it doesn't even matter if Quality Control is lacking, just churn out more product units until you get good ones. All The Best True. [Part of the failure of Steve Jobs as a human being. ~ Tim Cook was no different. Exploitation and mark-up … failure to address issues of component and software failures for years … Apple product quality going down the toilet … a shift making expensive throwaway toys] - a discussion for another thread. …back to death vans … eh? In a crumbling Society driven into wars by criminal rich untouchables … and a piss poor Legal System gone corrupt … would a belated introduction of death vans in the West save us from mass genocides?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2024 12:32:55 GMT
You are just mouthing off any old crap. aaaaaaaand there we go...the façade of the shill buckles....But seriously, don't you think that pretending that everything in China is perfect is the exact reason why you are in this situation? Hiding all the mistakes and subsequent deaths and hiding all the corruption and its ramifications and pretending none of it is real...pretending everything is rosey...all it does is allow the corruption and graft to perpetuate. You and all the other China shills sing a good song but ultimately reality always kicks in. You just talk blar blar blar and it does not make sense. watch the video, understand it and then come back and tell me that is a bloody amazing project. If you can't do that then show me a video of the Brits doing something far more impressive engineering-wise.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 20, 2024 12:33:30 GMT
China kills and represses on industrial scale. No, the west does not need its exports. It's high time for sanctions and diplomatic pressure on China to embrace democracy and human rights.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2024 12:49:42 GMT
Everything is easy until the Brits try it.
Well, let's be honest, the europeans have their own wierd shite when it comes to tunnels, satanic shit, marcing zombies and all
but i guess 57 km under the alps is not exactly a doddle, and if you were making an honest assessment, the channel tunnel was not too shabby an achievement either, not exactly a walk in the bloody park but we got the job done after a few false starts over a few hundred years But exactly what this has to do with bringing swift and final retribution to our convicted criminals that deserve it because we can't afford to keep them locked up and they're too dangerous to be left to roam our streets rather beats me Try working in the oxygen 3km up the Himalayas.
I believe your scoffing is lack of understanding. You think it is all propaganda so you don't try and understand what goes on.
One incredibly stupid suggestion you made earlier was that "I get that you have relatives there who will disappear to a death camp if you don't push the line Xi demands".
That is completely bongo bongo land thinking.
The truth of the matter was I got interested in China way back around 2005 time when I was buying some stuff for the boat we had which came from China. I noticed back then they were getting rather clever and proficient in the manufacturing. I realised then China would become a big and powerful economy in time. My interest is out of respect for their achievements, not fear. That's just bloody ridiculous. It was pure coincidence my brother later on ended up marrying a Chinese woman. They had not even met by the time I was a keen shopper in China. This was the second phase, as in getting to know them through business. They did a good job and were extremely keen to please. The customer service was like nothing I had experienced in this country. This country was simultaneously going to the dogs.
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 20, 2024 13:03:22 GMT
aaaaaaaand there we go...the façade of the shill buckles....But seriously, don't you think that pretending that everything in China is perfect is the exact reason why you are in this situation? Hiding all the mistakes and subsequent deaths and hiding all the corruption and its ramifications and pretending none of it is real...pretending everything is rosey...all it does is allow the corruption and graft to perpetuate. You and all the other China shills sing a good song but ultimately reality always kicks in. You just talk blar blar blar and it does not make sense. watch the video, understand it and then come back and tell me that is a bloody amazing project. If you can't do that then show me a video of the Brits doing something far more impressive engineering-wise. UK Engineers and Engineering is world famous....start with an F1 grid and work up in size from there....you don't need to get too jealous of the UK and it's abilities....errmmmm....who were the main designers and structural/seismic engineers for the Birdsnest Staduim...Brits wasn't it...?
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