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Post by Morgan on Nov 19, 2022 8:41:17 GMT
ANDREW NEIL: The week Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt killed the dream of any Brexit dividend stone dead By that I don't mean we're going to rejoin the European Union any time soon (though the chances that we will at some stage are now higher, I calculate, than they were only two years ago). But any possible benefits of Brexit, of which there have been precious few to date (bar the speedy vaccine rollout), were snuffed out by the Sunak-Hunt determination to put fiscal rectitude above everything else. www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11445479/The-week-Rishi-Sunak-Jeremy-Hunt-killed-dream-Brexit-dividend-stone-dead.htmlRead the whole article. He makes some good points. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 19, 2022 10:49:14 GMT
I failed to get the full grasp he was saying , His he saying that the budget had halted any progress Brexit had made he even admits there was little change.
I fail to see any change at all.
Brexit has proven a dissater for the economy what with our Gpd the slowest growing economy in the G7 and the EU.
No were not the rich economy Brexit had promised .
Has i said Brexit was won on lies
Now the population are being to see the reality of them lies and don't like it.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2022 11:55:19 GMT
He does make a valid point - if you are not going to take advantage of the benefits of leaving why bother?.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 19, 2022 12:04:25 GMT
He does make a valid point - if you are not going to take advantage of the benefits of leaving why bother?. So the benifits of Brexit lie with the Govenment you got to ask yourself why succesive prime ministers since cameron hasnt for filled the promise land Brexit. i understand there over 2, 000 EU laws still remain and only 400+ has been looked into . and a few of them have been repelled . so much for getting our soveignty back |
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Post by Steve on Nov 19, 2022 12:30:06 GMT
He does make a valid point - if you are not going to take advantage of the benefits of leaving why bother?. Because those business benefits were never there to be had that's why. It was always a false dream sold by political snake oil traders. Brexit always was and indeed is a route to being slightly less well off than we could have been. But Totheleft is wrong to call it a disaster, it plainly isn't and won't be as long as we keep that UK-EU deal. What Neil doesn't mention is the upside of ending free movement. We'll never know if Cameron's deal would have significantly curtailed it but the EU as it was in 2015 was a recipe for increased social division in the UK. Businesses getting rich while those they saw as plebs saw their labour market undermined. And he also ignores that to many maybe millions, the financial cost is worth it for the removal of EU ability to make rules about vacuum cleaners. Not a great net result in my book but we shouldn't deny that to those people it was worth it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 16:54:30 GMT
He does make a valid point - if you are not going to take advantage of the benefits of leaving why bother?. There was a vote to leave, get over it. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 19, 2022 17:25:10 GMT
He does make a valid point - if you are not going to take advantage of the benefits of leaving why bother?. Brexit always was and indeed is a route to being slightly less well off than we could have been. But Totheleft is wrong to call it a disaster, it plainly isn't and won't be as long as we keep that UK-EU deal. If the country is lucky it will be only 'slightly less well off'. The Office of Budget Responsibility believes the impact of Brexit will be worse than Covid. Time will tell. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 19, 2022 17:30:12 GMT
Brexit always was and indeed is a route to being slightly less well off than we could have been. But Totheleft is wrong to call it a disaster, it plainly isn't and won't be as long as we keep that UK-EU deal. If the country is lucky it will be only 'slightly less well off'. The Office of Budget Responsibility believes the impact of Brexit will be worse than Covid. Time will tell. Well as Covid was a one off and Brexit is it seems forever then ultimately that looks to be likely as the year after year impacts build up |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 19, 2022 17:31:59 GMT
If the country is lucky it will be only 'slightly less well off'. The Office of Budget Responsibility believes the impact of Brexit will be worse than Covid. Time will tell. Well as Covid was a one off and Brexit is it seems forever then ultimately that looks to be likely as the year after year impacts build up Yeah, that makes sense. But the cost of Covid was enormous. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2022 18:07:59 GMT
He does make a valid point - if you are not going to take advantage of the benefits of leaving why bother?. So the benifits of Brexit lie with the Govenment you got to ask yourself why succesive prime ministers since cameron hasnt for filled the promise land Brexit. i understand there over 2, 000 EU laws still remain and only 400+ has been looked into . and a few of them have been repelled . so much for getting our soveignty back Well the sovereignty is now there - that is if you choose to use it. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 21, 2022 8:18:00 GMT
We have left the CAP which has allowed farmers to manage their land more sustainably - they no longer need to chop down trees and hedges to maximise the SFP. Farmers get paid for sustainable management. And we've left the CFP. The deal was not good but that's what happens when your negotiators are MPs and the Civil Service who mostly all want to remain in the EU. And we no longer have to agree to obey EU laws. Unfortunately our Govt STILL hasn't repealed them all from UK law, but they could. We can also control immigration - if our govt could be bothered.
The problem has been that our leaving the EU coincided almost exactly with the pandemic which has taken up a lot of govt time. It also makes it very hard to quantify the effect of Brexit - but of course that doesn't stop the Remoaners trying.
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Post by Steve on Nov 21, 2022 11:37:24 GMT
Yes leaving the CAP has its benefits but it also means we've lost the security of food supply it gave. All a bit like cancelling the house insurance and hoping they'll never be a fire.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 13:28:21 GMT
G7 countries' respective economies have returned to pre-pandemic levels. Except for the UK.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 18:01:52 GMT
G7 countries' respective economies have returned to pre-pandemic levels. Except for the UK. That is due to the war in Ukraine. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 21, 2022 18:30:03 GMT
G7 countries' respective economies have returned to pre-pandemic levels. Except for the UK. That is due to the war in Ukraine. How come the ukraine war dosent effect ITALY, GERMANY .FRANCE . |
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