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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 10:09:36 GMT
I can see this being a popular policy in some sections of society. I wouldn't be totally against it.
There needs to be careful thought on how to frame the law: Wills Powers of attorney Life Insurance Coercion
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 16:14:11 GMT
Would anyone consider this assisted death issue as a positive for Labour and affect their voting decision?
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 13, 2024 18:48:20 GMT
Labour wanting to kill off pensioners - now why would that be I wonder...
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 18:58:36 GMT
Labour wanting to kill off pensioners - now why would that be I wonder... indeed. Old people will go back to the end of the treatment queue endlessly until they elect to take the death pill.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 13, 2024 18:59:04 GMT
Labour wanting to kill off pensioners - now why would that be I wonder... LOL.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 13, 2024 19:02:38 GMT
Would anyone consider this assisted death issue as a positive for Labour and affect their voting decision? I think assisted death should be an option in certain cases. Being forced to endure endless pain due to a terminal condition is extremely cruel. Would it make me vote Labour? Not on your nelly.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 13, 2024 19:07:11 GMT
Labour wanting to kill off pensioners - now why would that be I wonder... indeed. Old people will go back to the end of the treatment queue endlessly until they elect to take the death pill. I understand why you say that, and it's a concern. But with legislation and safeguards I think assisted dying for some people should be a legal option, and not just for those who can afford to fly to Switzerland and pay Dignitas £10k.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2024 19:17:43 GMT
indeed. Old people will go back to the end of the treatment queue endlessly until they elect to take the death pill. I understand why you say that, and it's a concern. But with legislation and safeguards I think assisted dying for some people should be a legal option, and not just for those who can afford to fly to Switzerland and pay Dignitas £10k. True but neglect can be used as a subtle coercion . Good intentions can change to the sinister and absurd. We have lefties telling us that we should accept the absurd to save people that are suffering and want to commit suicide . Now a leftie labour leader is promising legal suicide to people who are suffering. If suicide is an appropriate way to end suffering then are ‘ trans ‘ people going to be offered suicide as a solution ? Maybe people suffering with depression? We should be very wary going down this route .
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 13, 2024 19:37:05 GMT
I understand why you say that, and it's a concern. But with legislation and safeguards I think assisted dying for some people should be a legal option, and not just for those who can afford to fly to Switzerland and pay Dignitas £10k. True but neglect can be used as a subtle coercion . Good intentions can change to the sinister and absurd. We have lefties telling us that we should accept the absurd to save people that are suffering and want to commit suicide . Now a leftie labour leader is promising legal suicide to people who are suffering. If suicide is an appropriate way to end suffering then are ‘ trans ‘ people going to be offered suicide as a solution ? Maybe people suffering with depression? We should be very wary going down this route . Indeed, I have concerns we should all have concerns. But I'm also concerned about a loving husband who is charged with murder for ending the life of of his wife of 50 years because she has a terminal illness and begs him to end her pain.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 13, 2024 19:59:00 GMT
I am in favour of it
Euthanasia is medically assisted suicide in which a physician takes action to deliberately induce death in the patient. In countries where euthanasia is legal, individuals who are terminally ill and experiencing intense pain with no hope of recovery may choose to die quickly and painlessly via euthanasia rather than endure a prolonged, painful, and potentially expensive illness. Euthanasia is sometimes alternately referred to as a "mercy killing."
Euthanasia is illegal in almost all of the world's countries and can even result in a murder conviction for the administering physician. However, a small-but-growing number of countries have legalized euthanasia in certain extreme cases, which must meet stringent conditions. In most countries in which euthanasia is legal, the patient must be suffering from a terminal illness with no hope of recovery and must be in significant pain. Moreover, the administering physician must have nothing to gain from the patient's death (an inheritance, for example). Some countries have additional requirements, such as forbidding the physician from offering euthanasia (Australia) or requiring at least one additional physician to confirm the diagnosis (Netherlands).
Countries Where Active Euthanasia is Legal (in Certain Circumstances): Australia 🇦🇺 Belgium 🇧🇪 Canada 🇨🇦 Colombia 🇨🇴 Ecuador 🇪🇨 Luxembourg 🇱🇺 Netherlands 🇳🇱 New Zealand 🇳🇿 Portugal 🇵🇹 Spain 🇪🇸
Euthanasia can be either passive, in which medical efforts to prolong the patient's life are terminated and the disease is allowed to take its course, or active, in which the physician triggers death by prescribing and/or administering a lethal dose of medication. Additionally, most euthanasia—and all legal euthanasia—is voluntary euthanasia, meaning the patient agrees to (and most likely requested) the procedure. If the patient cannot give consent, such as with infants or incapacitated individuals, the procedure is classified as non-voluntary euthanasia. Cases in which the patient specifically does not agree are classified as involuntary euthanasia and are classified as murder in most countries.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 14, 2024 9:05:49 GMT
Labour wanting to kill off pensioners - now why would that be I wonder... indeed. Old people will go back to the end of the treatment queue endlessly until they elect to take the death pill. Why do you think they sent people back to the nursing homes during covid,some people might scoff but there’s an unwritten rule in the nhs that those with learning disabilities are not worth the effort let them die.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 15, 2024 0:09:22 GMT
Labour wanting to kill off pensioners - now why would that be I wonder... Yes, but when your funeral director has had to shell out two bungs of £85 apiece to get two doctors to certify Harold Shipman or a copycat wasn’t responsible for administering the morphine that ended your father’s life, and invoiced you for it, it becomes painfully obvious something has to change I had to watch what the current joke of a process actually means, twice. It is a fact the RSPCA would have brought proceedings against my daughter had she insisted her cat be treated as all four of her grandparents were. I hope to fuck the measures are ready so i don't have to endure the same. I only spent forty five seconds and then a further 90 seconds three hours later in the nearest i ever want to get to a vegetative state thanks to my mini stroke. The second cleverest polymath i ever met spent two weeks like that after three strokes before a fourth finally put paid to him. I KNOW what it’s like to be in that state, with your mind operational but all motor systems, and all comms, offline. If any suggest i’m misguided i suggest you wait until you experience what i have. The concept of that as an existence from which there is no prospect of recovery utterly terrifies me, way beyond death itself. You have to have been there to understand. I wouldn’t wish that on Tony Blair, Diane Abbott, Mark Drakeford or even that utter prick Vaughan Gethin. Actually, i might wish it on him but only because he’s already a brain dead idiot walking.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 17, 2024 8:40:36 GMT
Starmer did not say he would put in place Assisted Dying, he said he would allow all Labour MP's a free vote either for or against it being put in place.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Mar 18, 2024 21:46:57 GMT
A major theme of the euthanasia debate in the early 90s was:
Should doctors be given the right to decide when patients should die?
... without reference to the patients' wishes, the wishes of their families, or any interference from the law.
There was a lot of enthusiasm for this viewpoint.
On the 9th of May 1994 the House Lords debated 'The Lords Select Committee Report on Medical Ethics' (which the Media were calling the 'Euthanasia Bill") .. and, much to the annoyance of a considerable number of people, they came out 100% against any form of euthansia ... because of the "Appalling attitude of a significant section of the population". It was being bandied about that, for instance: "The majority of people with Alzheimer's should be terminated ... just keep a few for research". This attitude was primarily driven by the plight of Tony Bland ... the Hillsborough victim who was in a vegetative state ... and: "Why waste money on people who won't thrive?"
On the morning of this debate the Times confidently predicted that the Lords would approve the introduction of euthanasia.
In the Netherlands at the time it as said that the majority of people who died in hospitals were being "terminated" by the doctors. Elderly people were crossing the border into Germany when they needed to go into care homes. A Dutch doctor said: "We don't need hospices ... we've got euthanasia." Their Minister of Health said that elderly people ... who did not have significant illnesses ... but were "tired of life" ... should be able to go to their doctors and get suicide pills.
I sent this to a local paper:
Euthanasia:
A serial killer is being sentenced. The judge says:
"I sentence you to ten years being trained to be a doctor".
They published it.
The weirdest idea was: "Schizophrenia is a terrible disease for which there is no cure. Young people who develop it should be terminated ... and their organs used for transplants".
In televised debates people opposed to euthanasia were being angrily called "Cruel and heartless" bu the Euthanasia advocates.
Strange times back then ... around the time of the Rwandan genocide ... about which people were saying things like: "Let them get on with it ... there's too many people in the world".
Then the rise of computeris promised a brave new world free of disease. Even the host of Alzheimer's sufferers could perhaps be cured ... as well as most cancers ... by computer driven medical research.
The Human Genome Project held a lot of promise.
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 19, 2024 11:34:28 GMT
Labour wanting to kill off pensioners - now why would that be I wonder... Except they don't. They want to give people the right to choose. All The Best
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