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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 7, 2024 22:43:22 GMT
As I said above... ... they would have been operating in a difficult situation of which people reading this could never in a million years begin to understand but will I'm sure be quick to judge.I am not being quick to judge. I am however willing to let investigations run their course where there is evidence to pursue them. I will be making no judgements whatsoever until they are cleared or convicted. I do bot assume either guilt or innocence but await due process. Pity you couldnt do the same instead of emoting all over the place. Due process lol, don't make me laugh. I would be perfectly happy if the accused were being judged by people who had seen action, people who understood what it's like. Unfortunately that is never or rarely the case which is why so many soldiers of good character have had their careers trashed. Fortunately for you, you dont understand. |
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Post by morayloon on Mar 8, 2024 1:51:29 GMT
Morayloon and Witchfinder will one day surprise us all by speaking up for this country. If by 'this country' you mean the UK, there's no chance of that happening ... ever! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 8, 2024 3:22:10 GMT
Morayloon and Witchfinder will one day surprise us all by speaking up for this country. If by 'this country' you mean the UK, there's no chance of that happening ... ever! You may be right, thanks to weak politicians who have no balls or pride, the EU have grabbed Northern Ireland. I wonder, will it kick off again, if it did I suspect the EU wouldn't be disappointed. However, in spite of devolution which was paid for by the generous English which you ungrateful gits have never thanked us for, Great Britain is still very much an entity. Yet when in other countries they never ask are you Scottish, or Welsh, or British, they always ask are you English. And that's because English is not only a globally recognised language, but unlike Scotland, England is a globally recognised country. I imagine this must annoy you a tad, lol. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 8, 2024 5:38:16 GMT
Lefties will of course cheer largely because they're clueless. But I kid you not, I listened to an item about this earlier and I could have punched the monitor, I had a walk around the garden to calm down. Why do top brass continually refuse to support their own troops? The SAS are arguably the best special forces in the world and bearing that in mind it's fair to say they would have been operating in a difficult situation of which people reading this could never in a million years begin to understand but will I'm sure be quick to judge - linkI highly recommend young people avoid the armed forces. The establishment can use Islamism/BLM to fight their wars instead. I'm so tempted to say yes I agree. But I cant, I have to belive this country has the balls to defend itself. No longer am I concerned about external matters, I'm concerned about our ability to stop anyone marching in through the front door... ...and if some foreign force did march in, what would todays politicians do? The fat woke army would fold in 24 hours, at which point the wankers in parliament would apologise and hand the keys over, perish the thought they should offend an aggressive adversary. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2024 11:30:04 GMT
I am not being quick to judge. I am however willing to let investigations run their course where there is evidence to pursue them. I will be making no judgements whatsoever until they are cleared or convicted. I do bot assume either guilt or innocence but await due process. Pity you couldnt do the same instead of emoting all over the place. What due process, Shrieks? You are not a stupid man so I am sure you know already. In the first instance there will be an investigation to determine whether there is any case to answer or sufficient evidence of wrongdoing to being charges. If neither of those things are forthcoming then it will be dropped and go no further. If there is found to be a case to answer with enough evidence for a prosecution, then there will be trial in which prosecution and defence will have their say. If found guilty they will be sentenced. If not, acquitted. You know? Due process? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2024 11:33:03 GMT
I am not being quick to judge. I am however willing to let investigations run their course where there is evidence to pursue them. I will be making no judgements whatsoever until they are cleared or convicted. I do bot assume either guilt or innocence but await due process. Pity you couldnt do the same instead of emoting all over the place. Due process lol, don't make me laugh. I would be perfectly happy if the accused were being judged by people who had seen action, people who understood what it's like. Unfortunately that is never or rarely the case which is why so many soldiers of good character have had their careers trashed. Fortunately for you, you dont understand. My nephew has been in the army and served in Afghanistan. And he nevertheless believes that soldiers should not be free to commit war crimes. This notion that such things should be acceptable because of the stress of the moment would have been laughed out of court as a defence at Nuremburg. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 8, 2024 11:53:19 GMT
What due process, Shrieks? You are not a stupid man so I am sure you know already. In the first instance there will be an investigation to determine whether there is any case to answer or sufficient evidence of wrongdoing to being charges. If neither of those things are forthcoming then it will be dropped and go no further. If there is found to be a case to answer with enough evidence for a prosecution, then there will be trial in which prosecution and defence will have their say. If found guilty they will be sentenced. If not, acquitted. You know? Due process? It was war, Shrieks.
And you can't honestly apply due process to war.
Perhaps due process would more properly be applied to the politicians that ordered deployment in the first place.
That would be true due process. But what's being proposed is yet another kangaroo court.
Although I realise that that may be beyond your comprehension.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 8, 2024 12:11:43 GMT
... Or do you think soldiers of any particular nation should be free to do whatever the fuck they like if ever they find themselves in stressful situations? We didnt think that when Germans were doing it Behaving as they are meant to do in stressful situations in line with the Geneva Conventions and their own terms of engagement is part of what they are paid to do. They are not paid to rape, pillage, torture or murder and any British troops that do things like this sully the good name of our country and the uniform they wear. Rules of Engagement and the Geneva Convention don't have any value in asymmetrical warfare of the sort that British troops have been engaged ever since they first encountered the IRA in Northern Ireland. Including dealing with insurgencies in the Middle East and elsewhere.
It is senseless to send your forces into battle with one hand tied behind their back and a legal sword of Damocles hanging over their heads, ready to fall unless they play according to self-imposed rules of conduct that the enemy doesn't respect.
As Lord Macauley said: Moderation in War is Imbecelic.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 8, 2024 13:10:03 GMT
I'm about half-way through the five part BBC series 'Once upon a time in Iraq', having watched last night the episode on the US Marines assault and capture of the Sunni-insurgent stronghold of Fallujah. It may be recalled that this attack was in retaliation for the murder of five American contractors whose mutilated bodies were displayed by the insurgents hung from the bridge over the Euphrates. The reason for this mention is the foregoing discussion on Rules of Engagement and the Geneva Convention to which British forces are legally held accountable (not to mention the HRA as well). It was clearly obvious that the US Marines had no such scruples in their Fallujah battle as a number of witnesses - including some Marines - made clear. However I don't beieve any legal repercussions ensued, the general feeling being that if you send in the Marines to do a job they will do what Marines do, which is anything necessary to win the battle. The series is still available on the iPlayer and well worth watching especially by those who maintain that soldiers ought to be perfect gentlemen at all times no matter how the enemy behaves. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m000kxws/once-upon-a-time-in-iraq |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2024 22:16:53 GMT
You are not a stupid man so I am sure you know already. In the first instance there will be an investigation to determine whether there is any case to answer or sufficient evidence of wrongdoing to being charges. If neither of those things are forthcoming then it will be dropped and go no further. If there is found to be a case to answer with enough evidence for a prosecution, then there will be trial in which prosecution and defence will have their say. If found guilty they will be sentenced. If not, acquitted. You know? Due process? It was war, Shrieks.
And you can't honestly apply due process to war.
Perhaps due process would more properly be applied to the politicians that ordered deployment in the first place.
That would be true due process. But what's being proposed is yet another kangaroo court.
Although I realise that that may be beyond your comprehension.
An unsurprising response from a man with Enoch Powell as an avatar, lol. You obviously dont understand the concept of war crimes. The Nazis would have loved you at the Nuremburg trials. Murdered a few unarmed British prisoners? Well that's okay, it was war, lol. And talking of avatars, the open goal is waiting. Go on, mention the cat that looks like Hitler. I know you can't resist. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 10, 2024 7:46:38 GMT
The cat looks like Hitler.
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