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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2024 17:21:30 GMT
Not the full story, they want to be able to return failed asylum seekers to France. France have offered the UK the facilities to vet asylum seekers in France. ..and in return Labour will take in a share of France's asylum claims.. ...As we will with the Rwanda scheme.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 11, 2024 22:26:39 GMT
..and?
are you of the mistaken idea that I support the Rwanda scheme? - I think that is as daft as yours.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2024 4:44:37 GMT
..and? are you of the mistaken idea that I support the Rwanda scheme? - I think that is as daft as yours. I did not say you supported the Rwanda scheme, just pointing out a fact.
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 14:19:48 GMT
Starmer's plan for immigration could mean an extra 250,000 migrants coming to Britain, report showsSir Keir Starmer's approach to immigration could mean an extra 250,000 migrants coming to Britain each year, a new report has shown. The report, published by the Henry Jackson Society (HJS), claims that an EU-wide returns agreement with Brussels could increase net immigration by nearly 130,000 people each year - link Meanwhile the Tories have resided over the largest increase in Immigration to the UK in our entire History. Yeah, be scared of Labour? Pfft, they can't possibly do worse than the Tories on Immigration. But then the Tories don't actually want to do anything about Immigration, it suits their actual paymasters for the country to have a surplus of labour; it drives up living costs, and drives down wages, both of which suit the wealthy down to the ground. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2024 14:23:24 GMT
Starmer's plan for immigration could mean an extra 250,000 migrants coming to Britain, report showsSir Keir Starmer's approach to immigration could mean an extra 250,000 migrants coming to Britain each year, a new report has shown. The report, published by the Henry Jackson Society (HJS), claims that an EU-wide returns agreement with Brussels could increase net immigration by nearly 130,000 people each year - link Meanwhile the Tories have resided over the largest increase in Immigration to the UK in our entire History. Yeah, be scared of Labour? Pfft, they can't possibly do worse than the Tories on Immigration. But then the Tories don't actually want to do anything about Immigration, it suits their actual paymasters for the country to have a surplus of labour; it drives up living costs, and drives down wages, both of which suit the wealthy down to the ground. All The Best So high numbers of immigrants is a bad thing , right ?
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 14:33:42 GMT
Meanwhile the Tories have resided over the largest increase in Immigration to the UK in our entire History. Yeah, be scared of Labour? Pfft, they can't possibly do worse than the Tories on Immigration. But then the Tories don't actually want to do anything about Immigration, it suits their actual paymasters for the country to have a surplus of labour; it drives up living costs, and drives down wages, both of which suit the wealthy down to the ground. All The Best So high numbers of immigrants is a bad thing , right ? That depends on: Our position in the economic cycle. The level of unemployment in the UK The level of underemployment in the UK The degree to which an "average income" covers the Cost Of Living The Net Added Value to the UK economy provided by the immigrants. Whether or not the public service and utility infrastructure is sufficient for the current population. How close the UK is to both Energy and Food Security. Which means, that right now, the current level of immigration is a bad thing. It could become a good thing, but a lot of things needs to be fixed to make that possible. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2024 14:37:45 GMT
So high numbers of immigrants is a bad thing , right ? That depends on: Our position in the economic cycle. The level of unemployment in the UK The level of underemployment in the UK The degree to which an "average income" covers the Cost Of Living The Net Added Value to the UK economy provided by the immigrants. Whether or not the public service and utility infrastructure is sufficient for the current population. How close the UK is to both Energy and Food Security. Which means, that right now, the current level of immigration is a bad thing. It could become a good thing, but a lot of things needs to be fixed to make that possible. All The Best Ok . Just checking that high numbers are a good thing unless it’s because the Tories are responsible. Then it’s a bad thing . We have a few posters who seem to think this is the case . Thanks for that.
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 14:44:29 GMT
That depends on: Our position in the economic cycle. The level of unemployment in the UK The level of underemployment in the UK The degree to which an "average income" covers the Cost Of Living The Net Added Value to the UK economy provided by the immigrants. Whether or not the public service and utility infrastructure is sufficient for the current population. How close the UK is to both Energy and Food Security. Which means, that right now, the current level of immigration is a bad thing. It could become a good thing, but a lot of things needs to be fixed to make that possible. All The Best Ok . Just checking that high numbers are a good thing unless it’s because the Tories are responsible. Then it’s a bad thing . We have a few posters who seem to think this is the case . Thanks for that. I am very much not a "this party always bad, this other part always good" thinker when it comes to Politics. Because as the prevalent economic and social paradigm changes what is good, or bad for the country as a whole (by which I mean the people) changes as well. Right now excessive immigration is, almost invariably, a bad thing. That said, we should of course honour our obligations to genuine Asylum Seekers. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2024 14:53:39 GMT
Ok . Just checking that high numbers are a good thing unless it’s because the Tories are responsible. Then it’s a bad thing . We have a few posters who seem to think this is the case . Thanks for that. I am very much not a "this party always bad, this other part always good" thinker when it comes to Politics. Because as the prevalent economic and social paradigm changes what is good, or bad for the country as a whole (by which I mean the people) changes as well. Right now excessive immigration is, almost invariably, a bad thing. That said, we should of course honour our obligations to genuine Asylum Seekers.
All The Best Indeed but within reason . There are possibly tens or even hundreds of millions of potential ‘ genuine’Asylum seekers in Africa alone .
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 15, 2024 14:55:54 GMT
I am very much not a "this party always bad, this other part always good" thinker when it comes to Politics. Because as the prevalent economic and social paradigm changes what is good, or bad for the country as a whole (by which I mean the people) changes as well. Right now excessive immigration is, almost invariably, a bad thing. That said, we should of course honour our obligations to genuine Asylum Seekers.
All The Best Indeed but within reason . There are possibly tens or even hundreds of millions of potential ‘ genuine’Asylum seekers in Africa alone . Yes, but the ONLY way they can reach British Shores as a "genuine Asylum seeker" is to not have passed through any other safe country to get here. The number that manages that? Zero - or near enough as makes no difference. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2024 14:57:37 GMT
Indeed but within reason . There are possibly tens or even hundreds of millions of potential ‘ genuine’Asylum seekers in Africa alone . Yes, but the ONLY way they can reach British Shores as a "genuine Asylum seeker" is to not have passed through any other safe country to get here. The number that manages that? Zero - or near enough as makes no difference. All The Best Fair comment PV.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 16, 2024 9:55:43 GMT
Starmer's plan for immigration could mean an extra 250,000 migrants coming to Britain, report showsSir Keir Starmer's approach to immigration could mean an extra 250,000 migrants coming to Britain each year, a new report has shown. The report, published by the Henry Jackson Society (HJS), claims that an EU-wide returns agreement with Brussels could increase net immigration by nearly 130,000 people each year - link Meanwhile the Tories have resided over the largest increase in Immigration to the UK in our entire History. Yeah, be scared of Labour? Pfft, they can't possibly do worse than the Tories on Immigration. But then the Tories don't actually want to do anything about Immigration, it suits their actual paymasters for the country to have a surplus of labour; it drives up living costs, and drives down wages, both of which suit the wealthy down to the ground. All The Best I agree the Tories have completely reneged on their promise to leave the EU and secure our borders, or 'get Brexit done', hence the rise of Reform UK. But you appear to be forgetting that Labour under president Blair who, in the hope of becoming EU president, opened the UK up to mass immigration like never before. In later years at least two of Blairs ministers, Blunkett and Straw, apologised for changing Britain forever. You claim Labour could not possibly be worse than the Tories. I have to ask, did you read the OP and link? Starmer will have a much closer relationship with the EU including accepting more foreign immigrants via the EU. According to the Henry Jackson Society Starmers plans will fuel immigration pressures and increase immigration by 250,000 a year. And it must be said, few other than you it seems will be surprised.
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 16, 2024 10:03:17 GMT
Meanwhile the Tories have resided over the largest increase in Immigration to the UK in our entire History. Yeah, be scared of Labour? Pfft, they can't possibly do worse than the Tories on Immigration. But then the Tories don't actually want to do anything about Immigration, it suits their actual paymasters for the country to have a surplus of labour; it drives up living costs, and drives down wages, both of which suit the wealthy down to the ground. All The Best I agree the Tories have completely reneged on their promise to leave the EU and secure our borders, or 'get Brexit done', hence the rise of Reform UK. But you appear to be forgetting that Labour under president Blair who, in the hope of becoming EU president, opened the UK up to mass immigration like never before. In later years at least two of Blairs ministers, Blunkett and Straw, apologised for changing Britain forever. You claim Labour could not possibly be worse than the Tories. I have to ask, did you read the OP and link? Starmer will have a much closer relationship with the EU including accepting more foreign immigrants via the EU. According to the Henry Jackson Society Starmers plans will fuel immigration pressures and increase immigration by 250,000 a year. And it must be said, few other than you it seems will be surprised. Oh come on Red, you well know from UKDebate I am no fan of Blair or NuLab, and more recently I have been super critical of Starmer (who is just a Blair clone with the charisma removed). However, I am equally not a fan of right-wing biased neo-liberal "think tanks" claiming to be none-partisan. Make no mistake neo-liberalism wants more immigration in to the UK; and is only denigrating Labour in the hope the Tories retain power and continue to oversee the largest influx of economic migrants this country has ever seen. Neo-liberalism wants a "global free market", which would make EU levels of migration look like a bus load of day visitors. All The Best
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 16, 2024 10:12:39 GMT
I agree the Tories have completely reneged on their promise to leave the EU and secure our borders, or 'get Brexit done', hence the rise of Reform UK. But you appear to be forgetting that Labour under president Blair who, in the hope of becoming EU president, opened the UK up to mass immigration like never before. In later years at least two of Blairs ministers, Blunkett and Straw, apologised for changing Britain forever. You claim Labour could not possibly be worse than the Tories. I have to ask, did you read the OP and link? Starmer will have a much closer relationship with the EU including accepting more foreign immigrants via the EU. According to the Henry Jackson Society Starmers plans will fuel immigration pressures and increase immigration by 250,000 a year. And it must be said, few other than you it seems will be surprised. Oh come on Red, you well know from UKDebate I am no fan of Blair or NuLab, and more recently I have been super critical of Starmer (who is just a Blair clone with the charisma removed). However, I am equally not a fan of right-wing biased neo-liberal "think tanks" claiming to be none-partisan. Make no mistake neo-liberalism wants more immigration in to the UK; and is only denigrating Labour in the hope the Tories retain power and continue to oversee the largest influx of economic migrants this country has ever seen. Neo-liberalism wants a "global free market", which would make EU levels of migration look like a bus load of day visitors. All The Best Again I agree, we are increasingly governed by left wing/left leaning globalist organisations like the EU, WHO, OECD, WEF, UN, COP and who knows how many unaccountable quangos. Hence the rise of Reform UK.
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 16, 2024 10:16:05 GMT
Oh come on Red, you well know from UKDebate I am no fan of Blair or NuLab, and more recently I have been super critical of Starmer (who is just a Blair clone with the charisma removed). However, I am equally not a fan of right-wing biased neo-liberal "think tanks" claiming to be none-partisan. Make no mistake neo-liberalism wants more immigration in to the UK; and is only denigrating Labour in the hope the Tories retain power and continue to oversee the largest influx of economic migrants this country has ever seen. Neo-liberalism wants a "global free market", which would make EU levels of migration look like a bus load of day visitors. All The Best Again I agree, we are increasingly governed by left wing/left leaning globalist organisations like the EU, WHO, OECD, WEF, UN, COP and who knows how many unaccountable quangos. Hence the rise of Reform UK. You are aware I assume that Neo-Liberalism is RIGHT wing? All The Best
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