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Post by Totheleft on Feb 27, 2024 17:03:30 GMT
Any one here think Anti-semitic laws cuts free speech.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 27, 2024 17:05:42 GMT
Indeed. We are now entering a time where ‘ hate speech ‘ will be a purely subjective term and dependant on anyone who deems it to be so ( and of course completely slewed to a woke lrftie viewpoint. We already have one particularly hysterical leftie seeing racism and bigotry everywhere she looks . Please refer to the first of the three links from the UK Crown Prosecution office which clearly defines what hate speech / hate crime is. I take it you cant be bothered to read it either. So here it is again:https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime The very first part confirms my point . “ANY crime CAN be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either: demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity Or been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity” ………….here it comes .. “There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike.” |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 17:17:01 GMT
Any one here think Anti-semitic laws cuts free speech. Say Hi if you agree Could you expand on this, please? i.e. Which particular laws and statutes do you refer to and how are they "cutting free speech"? Say Hi? This is not Facebook, it's a semi serious politics forum. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 17:18:39 GMT
Please refer to the first of the three links from the UK Crown Prosecution office which clearly defines what hate speech / hate crime is. I take it you cant be bothered to read it either. So here it is again:https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime The very first part confirms my point . “ANY crime CAN be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either: demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity Or been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity” ………….here it comes .. “There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike.” That is precisely why the UK has judges and juries. To interpret the law. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 17:20:00 GMT
Any one here think Anti-semitic laws cuts free speech. Say Hi if you agree Could you expand on this, please? i.e. Which particular laws and statutes do you refer to and how are they "cutting free speech"? Say Hi? This is not Facebook, it's a semi serious politics forum. Really? I thought it was a roomful of comedians. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 27, 2024 17:22:42 GMT
The very first part confirms my point . “ANY crime CAN be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either: demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity Or been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity” ………….here it comes .. “There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike.” That is precisely why the UK has judges and juries. To interpret the law. Interpreting the subjective is impossible…because it’s subjective and open to many interpretations. ’ clear’ it is not. Your link confirms my point . |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 27, 2024 17:23:49 GMT
Could you expand on this, please? i.e. Which particular laws and statutes do you refer to and how are they "cutting free speech"? Say Hi? This is not Facebook, it's a semi serious politics forum. Really? I thought it was a roomful of comedians. And youre the straight man Orry. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 17:32:03 GMT
That is precisely why the UK has judges and juries. To interpret the law. Interpreting the subjective is impossible…because it’s subjective and open to many interpretations. ’ clear’ it is not. Your link confirms my point . The word in question is defined by at least half a dozen synonyms. All law is open to interpretation . That is how lawyers live comfortably. Dont try arguing with reality. It just is. |
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Post by ginnyg2 on Feb 27, 2024 17:35:16 GMT
Indeed. We are now entering a time where ‘ hate speech ‘ will be a purely subjective term and dependant on anyone who deems it to be so ( and of course completely slewed to a woke lrftie viewpoint. We already have one particularly hysterical leftie seeing racism and bigotry everywhere she looks . Please refer to the first of the three links from the UK Crown Prosecution office which clearly defines what hate speech / hate crime is. I take it you cant be bothered to read it either. So here it is again:https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime From the link: Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity." In other words anyone can accuse someone of a "hate crime" just by simply saying they perceive it to be so. Very handy - unless you happen to be the unfortunate person accused. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 27, 2024 17:37:07 GMT
Interpreting the subjective is impossible…because it’s subjective and open to many interpretations. ’ clear’ it is not. Your link confirms my point . The word in question is defined by at least half a dozen synonyms. All law is open to interpretation . That is how lawyers live comfortably. Dont try arguing with reality. It just is. The reality is that it’s a subjective subject open to abuse. Don’t argue with reality either. Another triumph for The cult of leftie woke |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 17:37:07 GMT
Please refer to the first of the three links from the UK Crown Prosecution office which clearly defines what hate speech / hate crime is. I take it you cant be bothered to read it either. So here it is again:https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime From the link: Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity." In other words anyone can accuse someone of a "hate crime" just by simply saying they perceive it to be so. Very handy - unless you happen to be the unfortunate person accused. That is why the issue is a judicial matter. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 17:43:24 GMT
The word in question is defined by at least half a dozen synonyms. All law is open to interpretation . That is how lawyers live comfortably. Dont try arguing with reality. It just is. The reality is that it’s a subjective subject open to abuse. Don’t argue with reality either. Another triumph for The cult of leftie woke All law is open to abuse via interpretation by judge and jury. This has been the case since people sat in caves or senators met in Roman halls to decide if someone deserves to be punished. Trial by jury is fundamental to a civilised society. It saves us from what used to be lynch mobs who killed people because they werent white. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 27, 2024 17:47:08 GMT
The reality is that it’s a subjective subject open to abuse. Don’t argue with reality either. Another triumph for The cult of leftie woke All law is open to abuse via interpretation by judge and jury. This has been the case since people sat in caves or senators met in Roman halls to decide if someone deserves to be punished. Trial by jury is fundamental to a civilised society. It saves us from what used to be lynch mobs who killed people because they werent white. If you keep posting ‘ that’s the system..deal with it ‘. Ill keep posting the reality “The reality is that it’s a subjective subject open to abuse. Don’t argue with reality either. Another triumph for The cult of leftie woke”. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 27, 2024 17:52:53 GMT
All law is open to abuse via interpretation by judge and jury. This has been the case since people sat in caves or senators met in Roman halls to decide if someone deserves to be punished. Trial by jury is fundamental to a civilised society. It saves us from what used to be lynch mobs who killed people because they werent white. If you keep posting ‘ that’s the system..deal with it ‘. Ill keep posting the reality “The reality is that it’s a subjective subject open to abuse. Don’t argue with reality either. Another triumph for The cult of leftie woke”. All law is subjective. It is open to context, mental health issues, evidence or lack of it. The world is not the simple black and white world you can understand. It is multicoloured, which confuses you. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 27, 2024 18:02:58 GMT
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