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Post by sandypine on Feb 23, 2024 19:08:43 GMT
UK Met Office Fails to Retract False Claim of “More Intense” Storms Due to Climate Change The Met Office is refusing to retract a claim made by a senior meteorologist on BBC Radio 5 Live that storms in the U.K. are becoming “more intense” due to climate change. This is despite admitting in Freedom of Information (FOI) documents that it had no evidence to back up the claim. The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) noted the “false” claim seriously misled the public and demanded a retraction. The Daily Sceptic covered the story last Thursday and has since contacted the Met Office on three occasions seeking a response. “False information of this kind does much to induce climate anxiety in the population and I am sure you would agree such errors should be corrected by any reputable organisation,” it was noted. No reply was received – no retraction has been forthcoming. The storm claim was made by Met Office spokesman Clare Nasir on January 22nd and led to an FOI request for an explanation by the investigative journalist Paul Homewood. The Met Office replied that it was unable to answer the request due to the fact that the information “is not held”. Interestingly, the Met Office’s own 2022 climate report noted that the last two decades have seen fewer occurrences of maximum wind speeds in the 40, 50, 60 knot bands than previous decades. The Daily Sceptic report went viral on social media with almost 3,000 retweets on X, while GWPF’s demand for retraction was covered by the Scottish Daily Express. dailysceptic.org/2024/02/22/met-office-fails-to-retract-false-claim-of-more-intense-storms-due-to-climate-change/ |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 24, 2024 8:05:57 GMT
It's just disinformation that seems to have become the norm nowadays. According to the scientists the "intense weather events", such as they are, are caused by winds such as the Jet Stream getting stuck in a particular pattern for days or weeks - causing things like huge amounts of rain falling in one area. But this is not caused by warming. There are various theories but not warming.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 24, 2024 8:16:16 GMT
It's just disinformation that seems to have become the norm nowadays. According to the scientists the "intense weather events", such as they are, are caused by winds such as the Jet Stream getting stuck in a particular pattern for days or weeks - causing things like huge amounts of rain falling in one area. But this is not caused by warming. There are various theories but not warming. Its just another dose of the daily bullshit mate....The problem is that there are brain-dead dumbfucks that beleive it... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 24, 2024 13:46:21 GMT
UK Met Office Fails to Retract False Claim of “More Intense” Storms Due to Climate Change The Met Office is refusing to retract a claim made by a senior meteorologist on BBC Radio 5 Live that storms in the U.K. are becoming “more intense” due to climate change. This is despite admitting in Freedom of Information (FOI) documents that it had no evidence to back up the claim. The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) noted the “false” claim seriously misled the public and demanded a retraction. The Daily Sceptic covered the story last Thursday and has since contacted the Met Office on three occasions seeking a response. “False information of this kind does much to induce climate anxiety in the population and I am sure you would agree such errors should be corrected by any reputable organisation,” it was noted. No reply was received – no retraction has been forthcoming. The storm claim was made by Met Office spokesman Clare Nasir on January 22nd and led to an FOI request for an explanation by the investigative journalist Paul Homewood. The Met Office replied that it was unable to answer the request due to the fact that the information “is not held”. Interestingly, the Met Office’s own 2022 climate report noted that the last two decades have seen fewer occurrences of maximum wind speeds in the 40, 50, 60 knot bands than previous decades. The Daily Sceptic report went viral on social media with almost 3,000 retweets on X, while GWPF’s demand for retraction was covered by the Scottish Daily Express. dailysceptic.org/2024/02/22/met-office-fails-to-retract-false-claim-of-more-intense-storms-due-to-climate-change/There is a rationale to the claim. They think in terms of increased greenhouse effect admits more energy into the weather system than energy is lost via radiation. This give a global heating effect so a new higher temperature equilibrium is reached. You balance the energy by the temperature rising and emitting more radiation via the Stefan-Boltsman law (sigma T^4). They then go on to suppose the energy in the climate system is shifting around all the time, so some is heat, some is the movement of air and so as you crank the energy up the winds are going to have more energy and you will get energy in the seas as well through waves. I mean I have to say on an intuitive level it looks OK but it is a complicated system that can store energy, switch chemicals around and do all sorts of things which are very complicated. The complete system includes all life on earth, and that is very complicated indeed. So this is the thing. No one has any proof either way. However if something looks likely then even if you don't know for sure, you would plan your activities to minimise potential risks. Predicting climate change is like predicting the long-term weather. Has any weather forecaster scored above random in their predictions of any weather measurement 6months in advance. These people ought to know their limits.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 24, 2024 20:46:44 GMT
UK Met Office Fails to Retract False Claim of “More Intense” Storms Due to Climate Change The Met Office is refusing to retract a claim made by a senior meteorologist on BBC Radio 5 Live that storms in the U.K. are becoming “more intense” due to climate change. This is despite admitting in Freedom of Information (FOI) documents that it had no evidence to back up the claim. The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) noted the “false” claim seriously misled the public and demanded a retraction. The Daily Sceptic covered the story last Thursday and has since contacted the Met Office on three occasions seeking a response. “False information of this kind does much to induce climate anxiety in the population and I am sure you would agree such errors should be corrected by any reputable organisation,” it was noted. No reply was received – no retraction has been forthcoming. The storm claim was made by Met Office spokesman Clare Nasir on January 22nd and led to an FOI request for an explanation by the investigative journalist Paul Homewood. The Met Office replied that it was unable to answer the request due to the fact that the information “is not held”. Interestingly, the Met Office’s own 2022 climate report noted that the last two decades have seen fewer occurrences of maximum wind speeds in the 40, 50, 60 knot bands than previous decades. The Daily Sceptic report went viral on social media with almost 3,000 retweets on X, while GWPF’s demand for retraction was covered by the Scottish Daily Express. dailysceptic.org/2024/02/22/met-office-fails-to-retract-false-claim-of-more-intense-storms-due-to-climate-change/There is a rationale to the claim. They think in terms of increased greenhouse effect admits more energy into the weather system than energy is lost via radiation. This give a global heating effect so a new higher temperature equilibrium is reached. You balance the energy by the temperature rising and emitting more radiation via the Stefan-Boltsman law (sigma T^4). They then go on to suppose the energy in the climate system is shifting around all the time, so some is heat, some is the movement of air and so as you crank the energy up the winds are going to have more energy and you will get energy in the seas as well through waves. I mean I have to say on an intuitive level it looks OK but it is a complicated system that can store energy, switch chemicals around and do all sorts of things which are very complicated. The complete system includes all life on earth, and that is very complicated indeed. So this is the thing. No one has any proof either way. However if something looks likely then even if you don't know for sure, you would plan your activities to minimise potential risks. Predicting climate change is like predicting the long-term weather. Has any weather forecaster scored above random in their predictions of any weather measurement 6months in advance. These people ought to know their limits.
But they do not and they have led many to believe that unless we do something drastic as regards CO2 our grandkids will be boiled alive by the millions. The thing is teh Met Office employee said that a specific thing was happening, when there is no evidence whatsoever that it was happening, it followed from the models that it would but that is not the same thing at all. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Feb 26, 2024 10:15:07 GMT
Google "Is Global warming making storms stronger" and see what comes up.
What has happened is that the total quantity of ice in the Arctic has dramatically reduced over the last few decades. What is being predicted is that a single massive storm (generated by Global warming) could break up the ice and cause it to flow out of the Arctic ... leaving large areas of open water to absorb vast amounts of heat.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 26, 2024 11:11:20 GMT
Google "Is Global warming making storms stronger" and see what comes up. What has happened is that the total quantity of ice in the Arctic has dramatically reduced over the last few decades. What is being predicted is that a single massive storm (generated by Global warming) could break up the ice and cause it to flow out of the Arctic ... leaving large areas of open water to absorb vast amounts of heat. The answer is they do not know they say it is likely and to be expected but currently all the measurements of hurricanes, storms, wind speeds etc do not indicate any increasing trend, if anything the last few years have been below average for hurricanes and tropical storms. The point is the lady in the met office said it was definitive by saying storms were increasing due to climate change and the met office will not back up where the information came from nor withdraw the comment. We are exiting a mini ice age and Arctic ice would be expected to be different, there are many things that could happen all over the world the bigger questions are will they and if they are likely can we do anything to stop them occurring. We could throw paper aeroplanes from an open top bus as has been done and we have definitive evidence that when that was done in London it kept the Lions away. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Feb 26, 2024 12:48:14 GMT
Google "Is Global warming making storms stronger" and see what comes up. What has happened is that the total quantity of ice in the Arctic has dramatically reduced over the last few decades. What is being predicted is that a single massive storm (generated by Global warming) could break up the ice and cause it to flow out of the Arctic ... leaving large areas of open water to absorb vast amounts of heat. The answer is they do not know they say it is likely and to be expected but currently all the measurements of hurricanes, storms, wind speeds etc do not indicate any increasing trend, if anything the last few years have been below average for hurricanes and tropical storms. The point is the lady in the met office said it was definitive by saying storms were increasing due to climate change and the met office will not back up where the information came from nor withdraw the comment. We are exiting a mini ice age and Arctic ice would be expected to be different, there are many things that could happen all over the world the bigger questions are will they and if they are likely can we do anything to stop them occurring. We could throw paper aeroplanes from an open top bus as has been done and we have definitive evidence that when that was done in London it kept the Lions away. Check out "The Cold Blob" ... an area of the Atlantic Ocean that that is 1.5 degrees colder than it used to be. This decrease in temperature is being caused by Global warming. It's the only part of the world's oceans that is getting colder. It's possibly influencing the strength of storms in it's vicinity? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 26, 2024 13:19:43 GMT
There is a rationale to the claim. They think in terms of increased greenhouse effect admits more energy into the weather system than energy is lost via radiation. This give a global heating effect so a new higher temperature equilibrium is reached. You balance the energy by the temperature rising and emitting more radiation via the Stefan-Boltsman law (sigma T^4). They then go on to suppose the energy in the climate system is shifting around all the time, so some is heat, some is the movement of air and so as you crank the energy up the winds are going to have more energy and you will get energy in the seas as well through waves. I mean I have to say on an intuitive level it looks OK but it is a complicated system that can store energy, switch chemicals around and do all sorts of things which are very complicated. The complete system includes all life on earth, and that is very complicated indeed. So this is the thing. No one has any proof either way. However if something looks likely then even if you don't know for sure, you would plan your activities to minimise potential risks. Predicting climate change is like predicting the long-term weather. Has any weather forecaster scored above random in their predictions of any weather measurement 6months in advance. These people ought to know their limits.
But they do not and they have led many to believe that unless we do something drastic as regards CO2 our grandkids will be boiled alive by the millions. The thing is teh Met Office employee said that a specific thing was happening, when there is no evidence whatsoever that it was happening, it followed from the models that it would but that is not the same thing at all. Someone was explaining in one of the centuries of the dark ages, I think about 800-900 AD, not exactly sure of the century, but it was said to rain badly for 100 years which destroyed crops and almost wiped us out, hence why you hear very little about that time in our history. I tend to think of the weather myself as a kind of Hilbert space where cycles have an infinity of periods. We get some periods from the motion of the planets, but this chaos function is generating white noise which can have very low frequency components over millions of years and by the same rationale they could have one that brings a whole century of rain. Now given the variability in nature we have an almost impossible task of picking out the climate change from CO2 component, much like picking a signal out of a noisy radio reception. Because it is random in nature you can't null noise out.
Anyway, I'm felling a little more optimistic these days because it looks like what is going on here is like what it was like during WW2 where everyone was shitted up and through fear they developed technology like radar, which after the war proved better technology than what they were using before, so the war created a stimulus to technology which then created economic growth. We could see green technology drastically bring the price of energy down.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 27, 2024 11:33:51 GMT
The answer is they do not know they say it is likely and to be expected but currently all the measurements of hurricanes, storms, wind speeds etc do not indicate any increasing trend, if anything the last few years have been below average for hurricanes and tropical storms. The point is the lady in the met office said it was definitive by saying storms were increasing due to climate change and the met office will not back up where the information came from nor withdraw the comment. We are exiting a mini ice age and Arctic ice would be expected to be different, there are many things that could happen all over the world the bigger questions are will they and if they are likely can we do anything to stop them occurring. We could throw paper aeroplanes from an open top bus as has been done and we have definitive evidence that when that was done in London it kept the Lions away. Check out "The Cold Blob" ... an area of the Atlantic Ocean that that is 1.5 degrees colder than it used to be. This decrease in temperature is being caused by Global warming. It's the only part of the world's oceans that is getting colder. It's possibly influencing the strength of storms in it's vicinity? However 'possibly' was not the words used I believe it was 'due to'. All tat was being asked was to show the evidence that storms were becoming more severe and there was no official measure anywhere that confirmed this opinion which was opined as demonstrable fact, which it was not. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 27, 2024 14:01:16 GMT
Stop Press: Met Office update: As regular readers will recall, the Met Office recently came a cropper with a senior meteorologist stating last month on the BBC that storms in the U.K. were becoming more intense due to climate change. In reply to a subsequent freedom of information request from Paul Homewood, the Met Office admitted it had no evidence to back up the claim, but failed to correct the original statement. In a further letter to Homewood, it now accepts that there is no evidence ‘yet’ for an increase in wind gust speeds, although these are “projected to increase with future climate change”. Hardly a retraction since it still claims rainfall intensity, storm surges and wave heights are increasing with climate change. None of this can be proved – climate models are opinions, not evidence – while the IPCC also rules out human involvement in severe wind storms. It also rules out changes in river floods and heavy rain, along with coastal flooding and erosion.
HT/bnice2000
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