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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 20, 2024 14:18:06 GMT
There has been a big growth in anti-Semitism over the last few years - particularly so after the Hamas attack on Israel recently. Isn't it about time people started to accept that the cause of this is the large amount of migrants that we've taken (either legally or illegally) from countries (and cultures) that despise Jews. There's no point in anyone trying to deny that the muslims hate the Jews - for historical and religious reasons. And the weekly hate marches in London of so-called Palestinian supporters are enough evidence for anybody who doubts this. The visceral hatred is frightening Hews away from London and Jewish MPs are standing down.
So why is it that NONE of our politicians can say this out loud? It's the Muslims who are primarily to blame. I can understand Labour not wanting to admit it because they rely on the muslim vote - but the Tories don't get votes from the muslims. What's their excuse. Why isn't our useless PM talking about this? The longer people ignore the problem the worse it will get.
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 21, 2024 3:31:49 GMT
It is true that Muslims and Jews don't get on for historical religious reasons.
However, most of the antisemitism in Labour actually came from the far left (Democratic Socialists / Marxists). Look at the protests, there are plenty of white lefties amongst the crowd.
Corbyn and his chums are obsessed with Israel, because they think Jews control the world, in the same way that Hitler and the Nazis did.
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 21, 2024 8:14:12 GMT
Yes that's true, there is anti-semitism among white people too, particularly in the case of the Left for some reason. But people seem willing talk about this problem and even take offenders to task every now and then. But it seems that almost NO ONE will point out that anti-semitism is rife in the muslim community. In fact I'd say that it was the norm - any muslim that doesn't hate the Jews will tend to keep it quiet.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 21, 2024 11:48:51 GMT
There has been a big growth in anti-Semitism over the last few years - particularly so after the Hamas attack on Israel recently. Isn't it about time people started to accept that the cause of this is the large amount of migrants that we've taken (either legally or illegally) from countries (and cultures) that despise Jews. There's no point in anyone trying to deny that the muslims hate the Jews - for historical and religious reasons. And the weekly hate marches in London of so-called Palestinian supporters are enough evidence for anybody who doubts this. The visceral hatred is frightening Hews away from London and Jewish MPs are standing down. So why is it that NONE of our politicians can say this out loud? It's the Muslims who are primarily to blame. I can understand Labour not wanting to admit it because they rely on the muslim vote - but the Tories don't get votes from the muslims. What's their excuse. Why isn't our useless PM talking about this? The longer people ignore the problem the worse it will get. There’s always been anti semitism and I don’t dispute it’s rife in the Muslim community and often the the hatred is as apparent in the Jewish community. Historically though anti semitism was as rife here in the 1930’s if not more so as happened at the battle of brick lane in London. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 21, 2024 14:16:31 GMT
Yes but I think that we've moved on since then. Sometime ago Baroness Warsi was bemoaning Islamophobia and she said that it had "passed the dinner table test" meaning that even intelligent people are happy to admit to Islamophobia. To which my reply would be that ANY rational person of any intelligence should dislike/fear Islam. It's an evil religion.
But anti-semitism is racism pure and simple. The thing is that muslims ARE racists - and I doubt that their antisemitism will ever disappear. It's very obvious in the UK but it's even more obvious when you live in a muslim country. But the muslims have done a very good job of making people think that Islamophobia is a "form of recism" - it's even defined as such in the APPG definition of the word. But of course it's NOT racism in any way.
That's why I wonder why none of our politicians will criticise the muslims and Islam. At some point, if we're to avoid sectarian politics someone has got to be brave enough to speak out against Islam. Whoever does it will be a brave man/woman though. The backlash will be huge.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 21, 2024 15:52:05 GMT
Yes but I think that we've moved on since then. Sometime ago Baroness Warsi was bemoaning Islamophobia and she said that it had "passed the dinner table test" meaning that even intelligent people are happy to admit to Islamophobia. To which my reply would be that ANY rational person of any intelligence should dislike/fear Islam. It's an evil religion. But anti-semitism is racism pure and simple. The thing is that muslims ARE racists - and I doubt that their antisemitism will ever disappear. It's very obvious in the UK but it's even more obvious when you live in a muslim country. But the muslims have done a very good job of making people think that Islamophobia is a "form of recism" - it's even defined as such in the APPG definition of the word. But of course it's NOT racism in any way. That's why I wonder why none of our politicians will criticise the muslims and Islam. At some point, if we're to avoid sectarian politics someone has got to be brave enough to speak out against Islam. Whoever does it will be a brave man/woman though. The backlash will be huge. Well a good start would be a requirement to observe the norms of the host country like why is halal meat imposed on schools,if I went to a Muslim country I wouldn’t expect western norms to be accepted and nor are they, |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 22, 2024 8:31:00 GMT
The thing about halal meat is that it seems to have become almost the default in this country, which I object to. At the very least ALL halal food should be CLEARLY labelled so that people can vote with their feet. I, for one, wouldn't buy it.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 22, 2024 10:08:50 GMT
Do you feel the same way about Kosher food?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2024 11:12:08 GMT
Halal is in no way an equivalence to Kosher as was famously exposed by Alan Sugar in one of the early Apprentice episodes.  |
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Post by Hutchyns on Feb 22, 2024 11:57:46 GMT
I'd prefer someone without a foot in either camp to do the compare and contrasting, even if Alan Sugar's assessment seemed reasonable.
At the current time it would look like favouritism if steps were taken to aid the boycott of halal foods, while exempting kosher edibles.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 22, 2024 12:00:46 GMT
Halal is in no way an equivalence to Kosher as was famously exposed by Alan Sugar in one of the early Apprentice episodes. In what way? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2024 12:11:59 GMT
Halal is in no way an equivalence to Kosher as was famously exposed by Alan Sugar in one of the early Apprentice episodes. In what way? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 22, 2024 12:20:53 GMT
"The uploader has not made this video available in your country" Can't you just provide a two or three line summary?
Do you like toasted crumpets btw, with butter and jam?
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Post by patman post on Feb 22, 2024 12:54:46 GMT
The thing about halal meat is that it seems to have become almost the default in this country, which I object to. At the very least ALL halal food should be CLEARLY labelled so that people can vote with their feet. I, for one, wouldn't buy it. From: << www.culinaryschools.org/international/halal-vs-kosher/ >> Both Islamic and Jewish cultures have strict laws governing what they can and cannot eat. The most famous of these is their mutual aversion to pork. The two religious cultures share this and many other dietary rules in common. Yet their many small differences can cause them to diverge in profound ways.
Both Judaism and Islam are Abrahamic faiths, borne from the Middle East. They are united by their beliefs in God as revealed in the Hebrew Bible. Their dietary laws are part of their intricate code of conduct as believers. Following these rules are a crucial part of devotion to the Divine. Devoted Jewish and Muslim communities hold dietary rules as essential to their faith.
For example — the slaughter process... (Kosher)The butcher (shochet) must be specially trained for the purpose.
(Halal)Any able-bodied devout Muslim can take the role of butcher (dhabih)
(K)Animals cannot be stunned before slaughter at all.
(H)The animals are sometimes stunned before they are killed.
(K)The butcher is required to make one blessing when doing a day’s worth of work.
(H)The butcher must say a short prayer to God each time before taking the life of each animal.
(K)The knife (chalaf) used is straight
(H)The knife used can be curved.
(K)Inspectors examine the organs of the animal to identify its health at the time of slaughter.
(H)Inspectors examine the entire animal thoroughly before approval.
I don't see that the restrictions imposed by either religion stops me from choosing to eat whatever I like, or would make me protest at any establishment catering with supplies from either religion or none — health and hygiene would normally be my major concern... |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 22, 2024 13:09:06 GMT
That's an oppositional stance to that taken by Mr Black&White. You are completely agnostic, apparently, on the matter and don't care how animals are slaughtered, whereas he is implacably opposed to halal while being comparatively relaxed about schechita. (Although so far he hasn't managed to explain why).
Both of course are allowed to continue to perform their ritual slaughter unimpeded by the authorities thanks to exemptions granted to the Animal Welfare Acts.
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