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Post by jonksy on Feb 20, 2024 11:25:07 GMT
I wonder who will try their case? Two men charged with helping move hundreds of illegal migrants through Europe....
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 20, 2024 11:29:13 GMT
Their names says it all.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 20, 2024 11:35:42 GMT
An asylum seeker who piloted an “unseaworthy” boat where four passengers drowned in the English Channel has been found guilty of manslaughter. Ibrahima Bah, who is over 18, killed four other migrants while seeking passage from France to the UK on December 14 2022. Bah, from Senegal, was found guilty by the jury by a majority of 10 to 2 of four counts of manslaughter and was found guilty unanimously of facilitating illegal entry to the UK following a retrial at Canterbury Crown Court.
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Post by Orac on Feb 20, 2024 12:11:45 GMT
Well, of course most European governments have long since had such systems in place. It's only the UK where the authorities maintain the fiction that it is still a 19C trust-based society in which people are to be allowed to come and go as they please and just get on with their personal affairs (cannabis farming, say) without any serious risk of official interference. The arrival of the Empire Windrush and all that's happened since have put paid to to that panglossian notion. Of course, the alternative to living in a beehive, creating a powerful bureaucratic anus to run said beehive and passing it down as an unchangeable fiat accomplice to future generations, would be to apply proper controls on entry. Horses for courses - if mainland Europeans want to live in what amounts to an unaccountable open-air HR department, i say let them. However, I don't get the intransigence when it comes to our preferences - and why such a historically successful civilisational model would just be high-highhandedly dismissed. There is a reason many UK citizens don't want to live like this - one of them being that they have watched several unfolding bureacratic disasters from the other side of the Channel. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 20, 2024 13:00:48 GMT
I don't see how the fiction that the UK is still an Edwardian-era trust-based society can be maintained when so much of the population now originates from societies which are far from being that, and so much of the rest of the population has come under their malevolent influence.
It's simply preposterous to want to pretend otherwise.
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 20, 2024 13:47:34 GMT
We HAD the right to eject persons who came here under EEC right of FOM who did not secure employment in 3 momyhs. But neither labour nor tory would do it Isn't this one of those EU rights that are very hard to enforce - like the DUblin 2 agreement where we could return asylum seekers who came from a safe country. We tries but almost never succeeded. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 20, 2024 14:00:56 GMT
I don't see how the fiction that the UK is still an Edwardian-era trust-based society can be maintained when so much of the population now originates from societies which are far from being that, and so much of the rest of the population has come under their malevolent influence. It's simply preposterous to want to pretend otherwise. It's my belief that part of the motivation for mass immigration is to force a 'Soviet style' (top down totalitarian) social model on Europe. This amounts to a complete dismantling of the (loose) subsidiarity model of competing nation states. You are right to highlight the tension in our interests (it is there because it is supposed to be there), but you are wrong to be so dismissive and high-handed. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 20, 2024 14:10:05 GMT
My OH is obsessed with travel insurance cover, she's got us that much cover if we burn our lips on a cup of coffee we'll be covered. But she has a point, if we fall ill in a foreign country our level of care (if any) will depend on our medical insurance, yet in this country any one and everyone from any part of the world can use the services of the NHS with or without cover, and those without will get a very strongly worded letter asking 'can they please pay for their treatment', which we know they never get back. It's this country it's fucked up. I was in my GPs surgery last week and they had a sign up saying that immigrants would not be asked for ID if they wished to register. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 20, 2024 14:14:58 GMT
We HAD the right to eject persons who came here under EEC right of FOM who did not secure employment in 3 momyhs. But neither labour nor tory would do it Isn't this one of those EU rights that are very hard to enforce - like the DUblin 2 agreement where we could return asylum seekers who came from a safe country. We tries but almost never succeeded. Yes. In the case of the EU nationals there was nothing to stop them from simply returning a few months later. So it was largely pointless removing them. |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 20, 2024 14:18:40 GMT
My OH is obsessed with travel insurance cover, she's got us that much cover if we burn our lips on a cup of coffee we'll be covered. But she has a point, if we fall ill in a foreign country our level of care (if any) will depend on our medical insurance, yet in this country any one and everyone from any part of the world can use the services of the NHS with or without cover, and those without will get a very strongly worded letter asking 'can they please pay for their treatment', which we know they never get back. It's this country it's fucked up. I was in my GPs surgery last week and they had a sign up saying that immigrants would not be asked for ID if they wished to register. Was that as a patient or a practitioner ?  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 20, 2024 14:19:17 GMT
LOL! 🤣
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Post by bancroft on Feb 20, 2024 14:19:42 GMT
A new report reveals the UK has spent £24 billion on jobless 'legal' migrants since 2020. If the benefits paid to foreign students are included then the cost goes up to £36 billion - link - linkAnd lets not forget posters, this report refers to 'legal' migrants only. It does not include hundreds of £millions of tax payer pounds spent on illegals. We must be the biggest mugs on the planet. Interesting would be good to know how many of these were working and then unemployed due to COV-ID. Secondly I do recall during Brexit debates the colleges making a lot of noise against Brexit, if foreign students are claiming benefits how are they entitled to benefits, surely they should be self-supporting? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 20, 2024 14:23:03 GMT
My OH is obsessed with travel insurance cover, she's got us that much cover if we burn our lips on a cup of coffee we'll be covered. But she has a point, if we fall ill in a foreign country our level of care (if any) will depend on our medical insurance, yet in this country any one and everyone from any part of the world can use the services of the NHS with or without cover, and those without will get a very strongly worded letter asking 'can they please pay for their treatment', which we know they never get back. It's this country it's fucked up. I was in my GPs surgery last week and they had a sign up saying that immigrants would not be asked for ID if they wished to register. That doesn't surprise me, yet if I wanted to change GPs or register at a dentist they'd want to know my shoe size. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 20, 2024 14:56:36 GMT
I was in my GPs surgery last week and they had a sign up saying that immigrants would not be asked for ID if they wished to register. That doesn't surprise me, yet if I wanted to change GPs or register at a dentist they'd want to know my shoe size. Really that's strange I recently Changed GP basic form. Dint ask about shoe size. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 20, 2024 15:02:07 GMT
That doesn't surprise me, yet if I wanted to change GPs or register at a dentist they'd want to know my shoe size. Really that's strange I recently Changed GP basic form. Dint ask about shoe size. Were you wearing a burka lefty old bean? |
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