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Post by patman post on Feb 18, 2024 13:04:57 GMT
Times Radio and is saying it’s been told by a senior Tory that up to 150 sitting Conservative MPs won’t contest the next election. Already around 50 have said they’re stepping down. Reasons given for the imminent mass desertion include: - wanting to find paid employment before ex-MP job hunters swamp the market,
- not wanting to spend years in opposition,
- and believing they’d be remaining among a Right-Wing nutter residue of the parliamentary party if they were to be re-elected.
What schemes would Tory apologists here offer Conservative Campaign HQ — which must currently be feverishly trying to come up with smears of nuclear proportions — to knock Labour off its current trajectory towards victory… |
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Post by Hutchyns on Feb 18, 2024 13:46:51 GMT
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Very interesting to see that those most keen to raise the white flag in advance, believe the British public is most likely to return Right Wing Tories (actual Conservatives) than the wishy-washy Social Democrat style modern Tory. Reminiscent of the last election when the Electorate threw out the most ardent Remainiacs within the Tory ranks (Soubry, Gawke etc etc).
The Conservative Party serves no useful purpose and needs to be eradicated completely from the political landscape. British politics is dying a death thanks to the lack of choice the Siamese triplets of Con Lib and Lab present us with, and turning to any of these busted flushes won't help us in the least.
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Post by patman post on Feb 18, 2024 14:50:05 GMT
I disagree.
Britain has mostly been a moderate country through its latter modern era. It took a World War and near bankruptcy to shake it enough to elect a Labour government. After several needed radical reforms, which the country accepted, it returned to its more moderate state of mind while it reconstructed itself for a modern world.
The three principal UK parties mostly followed a moderate path, but they had their small extremist wings. Possibly the most concerning were the Left-leaning trades union supported Labour MPs and the undoubted connection and probable TU funding from communist Eastern Europe.
It took Thatcher to break the excessive power of the Unions and give the UK enough self belief to shake off the mantle of the then current description of being the Sick Man of Europe.
I admit that at heart I am a One Nation Tory supporter. I see nothing wrong with entrepreneurial capitalism mixed with nationalised services. I believe a civilised country should support its less able citizens and, where possible, provide them with the means train to support themselves. I largely support our current freedoms, and am against excessively strong moves by the state (or other organisations) to stifle criticism and dissent.
I’ve yet to be convinced that our system of government needs to be changed, or the need for a written constitution over the existing ideas of custom and practice. I like the separation of civil and military authorities, although I believe they could more strictly and publicly monitored.
If the Conservative Party gets a hefty kick up the backside in the coming election, or maybe is all but obliterated, so be it. Hopefully, it will be re-built with its traditional One Nation ethics and values…
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Post by Hutchyns on Feb 18, 2024 16:08:35 GMT
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Britain is hurriedly rebuilding itself with a population that has to a noticeably increasing extent brought its ethics and its values with it ..... doesn't have the first clue what British values are or once might have been.... and where the word 'traditional' will increasingly be viewed as having a racist connotation if uttered by a white person .....while the few younger members of society who may have heard of Thatcher, will only have learned from their Teacher that she was the baddest of the bad. One nationism when our Middle Class has disdain for the nation and recoil in horror at the thought anyone would celebrate St.George's Day ? .... its day has been and gone I'm afraid.
A desire for unfettered free movement so that the population of Europe and beyond can move to or from this Island with such ease, that viewing it as a separate or distinct nation is hardly fathomable. A parliament ushering in a surveillance state backed up by an online harms bill that will have Big Brother smothering us and analysing every word we say to such an extent in case of perceived 'offence', that this will soon be 'one nation' to escape from rather than wishing we could return to. The future that current day 'Moderates' have planned for us, will, I predict, be far more unpleasant than if we'd taken a more radical course, that either the Left or Right were offering earlier this century. I don't foresee one nationism even being on the ballot paper again.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 18, 2024 18:33:44 GMT
Hopefully they are all going to fuck off as they are not implementing any Conservative policies - all elected under false pretences.
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Post by patman post on Feb 19, 2024 14:53:35 GMT
patman post Britain is hurriedly rebuilding itself with a population that has to a noticeably increasing extent brought its ethics and its values with it ..... doesn't have the first clue what British values are or once might have been.... and where the word 'traditional' will increasingly be viewed as having a racist connotation if uttered by a white person .....while the few younger members of society who may have heard of Thatcher, will only have learned from their Teacher that she was the baddest of the bad. One nationism when our Middle Class has disdain for the nation and recoil in horror at the thought anyone would celebrate St.George's Day ? .... its day has been and gone I'm afraid. A desire for unfettered free movement so that the population of Europe and beyond can move to or from this Island with such ease, that viewing it as a separate or distinct nation is hardly fathomable. A parliament ushering in a surveillance state backed up by an online harms bill that will have Big Brother smothering us and analysing every word we say to such an extent in case of perceived 'offence', that this will soon be 'one nation' to escape from rather than wishing we could return to. The future that current day 'Moderates' have planned for us, will, I predict, be far more unpleasant than if we'd taken a more radical course, that either the Left or Right were offering earlier this century. I don't foresee one nationism even being on the ballot paper again. St George's Day comes about at the same time every year — as does St Patrick's Day and Burns Night. These latter two — especially St Patrick's Day — are noticeably celebrated in pubs and clubs, whereas Andrew and David are ignored. George doesn't pass unnoticed, but those celebrating so often appear confrontationally and violently drunk, that sensible people steer clear... |
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Post by patman post on Feb 19, 2024 14:56:23 GMT
Hopefully they are all going to fuck off as they are not implementing any Conservative policies - all elected under false pretences. What, in your opinion, are Conservative policies that could/would improve life in the UK today...? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 19, 2024 16:51:29 GMT
Hopefully they are all going to fuck off as they are not implementing any Conservative policies - all elected under false pretences. What, in your opinion, are Conservative policies that could/would improve life in the UK today...? Off the top of my head... 1. Withdraw from the ECHR. 2. Withdraw from the jurisdiction of the ECtHR. 3. Stop hundreds of thousands of foreign illegals landing on English beaches. 4. Deport foreign prisoners. (Regardless of where they are from) 5. Clamp down on left wing lawyers and NGO's who protect foreign criminals. 6. Have a policy of British jobs for British people. 7. Have a policy of British homes for British people. 8. Stop the racist practice of diversity quotas. Lefties will of course be horrified at policies that put this country and British people first, but if this government adopted the above policies they would likely win the forthcoming election. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 19, 2024 18:18:37 GMT
Hopefully they are all going to fuck off as they are not implementing any Conservative policies - all elected under false pretences. What, in your opinion, are Conservative policies that could/would improve life in the UK today...? Net Zero immigration Scrap Climate Change Act and slow the rush to expensive renewables Reduce fuel taxes to bring energy prices down and make UK manufacturing competitive Reduce personal taxes to make work pay Introduce workfare Reduce the amount of kids going to University and expand technical/vocational education. That will do to be going on with. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 19, 2024 18:20:24 GMT
What, in your opinion, are Conservative policies that could/would improve life in the UK today...? Net Zero immigration Scrap Climate Change Act and slow the rush to expensive renewables Reduce fuel taxes to bring energy prices down and make UK manufacturing competitive Reduce personal taxes to make work pay Introduce workfare Reduce the amount of kids going to University and expand technical/vocational education. That will do to be going on with. What he said ^👍 |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 19, 2024 19:27:40 GMT
What, in your opinion, are Conservative policies that could/would improve life in the UK today...? Off the top of my head... 1. Withdraw from the ECHR. 2. Withdraw from the jurisdiction of the ECtHR. 3. Stop hundreds of thousands of foreign illegals landing on English beaches. 4. Deport foreign prisoners. (Regardless of where they are from) 5. Clamp down on left wing lawyers and NGO's who protect foreign criminals. 6. Have a policy of British jobs for British people. 7. Have a policy of British homes for British people. 8. Stop the racist practice of diversity quotas. Lefties will of course be horrified at policies that put this country and British people first, but if this government adopted the above policies they would likely win the forthcoming election. Wow every policy on immigrants. Nothing on the economy, NHS, |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 19, 2024 19:37:48 GMT
Off the top of my head... 1. Withdraw from the ECHR. 2. Withdraw from the jurisdiction of the ECtHR. 3. Stop hundreds of thousands of foreign illegals landing on English beaches. 4. Deport foreign prisoners. (Regardless of where they are from) 5. Clamp down on left wing lawyers and NGO's who protect foreign criminals. 6. Have a policy of British jobs for British people. 7. Have a policy of British homes for British people. 8. Stop the racist practice of diversity quotas. Lefties will of course be horrified at policies that put this country and British people first, but if this government adopted the above policies they would likely win the forthcoming election. Wow every policy on immigrants. Nothing on the economy, NHS, What! ZG every one of the points I made would have a direct or indirect positive effect on the economy. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 19, 2024 19:43:25 GMT
Times Radio and is saying it’s been told by a senior Tory that up to 150 sitting Conservative MPs won’t contest the next election. Already around 50 have said they’re stepping down. Reasons given for the imminent mass desertion include: - wanting to find paid employment before ex-MP job hunters swamp the market,
- not wanting to spend years in opposition,
- and believing they’d be remaining among a Right-Wing nutter residue of the parliamentary party if they were to be re-elected.
What schemes would Tory apologists here offer Conservative Campaign HQ — which must currently be feverishly trying to come up with smears of nuclear proportions — to knock Labour off its current trajectory towards victory… They are greedy people and take backhanders for political favours when in power. Cut the power off and they are on no more than the MP's salary and maybe a few free lunches. They want to cash in their chips as well. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 19, 2024 19:49:05 GMT
Off the top of my head... 1. Withdraw from the ECHR. 2. Withdraw from the jurisdiction of the ECtHR. 3. Stop hundreds of thousands of foreign illegals landing on English beaches. 4. Deport foreign prisoners. (Regardless of where they are from) 5. Clamp down on left wing lawyers and NGO's who protect foreign criminals. 6. Have a policy of British jobs for British people. 7. Have a policy of British homes for British people. 8. Stop the racist practice of diversity quotas. Lefties will of course be horrified at policies that put this country and British people first, but if this government adopted the above policies they would likely win the forthcoming election. Wow every policy on immigrants. Nothing on the economy, NHS, Economy and NHS are sophisticated problems to solve. None have a clue. You know what the civil service in Yes Minister used to say about the intelligence of ministers in a democracy. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 19, 2024 20:00:51 GMT
What, in your opinion, are Conservative policies that could/would improve life in the UK today...? Off the top of my head... 1. Withdraw from the ECHR. 2. Withdraw from the jurisdiction of the ECtHR. 3. Stop hundreds of thousands of foreign illegals landing on English beaches. 4. Deport foreign prisoners. (Regardless of where they are from) 5. Clamp down on left wing lawyers and NGO's who protect foreign criminals. 6. Have a policy of British jobs for British people. 7. Have a policy of British homes for British people. 8. Stop the racist practice of diversity quotas. Lefties will of course be horrified at policies that put this country and British people first, but if this government adopted the above policies they would likely win the forthcoming election. I may have missed something, but I’m not aware that any of those BNP-type wailings were ever distinct Conservative policies — so I have to agree that you are probably spouting out of the top of your head… |
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