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Post by jonksy on Feb 18, 2024 8:04:51 GMT
Like you said to me get of your fat lazy bum and do it yourself. Oh so you haven't got any then. Thanks for clearing that one up lefty old bean.. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 18, 2024 8:24:41 GMT
Leftie, you assume I like the current government, I don't.
Only good things it's done are leave the EU, aid Ukraine and get us a few FTAs, they haven't capitalised on the biggest advantages of independence.
We should not be levying customs tariffs on things we do not make or grow, should we?
We should not be levying VAT on basic essentials, should we?
We need to rebuild our military. We should buy more M270 MLRS systems, shouldn't we?
We should scrap failed devolution, cut the cost of government and put the money to better use.
We should also scrap the Lords and have a non partisan house of scrutiny, with candidates elected on the basis of their qualifications and experience.
Labour did a lot of damage and had to go. Doesn't mean I'm fond of the Tories. If Labour learn from their mistakes and move to being a viable party of government which addresses the above and gets rid of devolution, I could be convinced to vote for them.
And scrap tuition fees for STEM subjects.
Cut the cost of education and living for students.
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Post by thomas on Feb 18, 2024 8:37:53 GMT
Tribune a far left magazine must be right. Tben? What household cost? For example 1996 6.5 million households were classed as 'fuel poor', whereas in 1998 the figure had fallen to 4.75 million. In 2010 - the year Labour left office - there were also 4.75 million households in fuel poverty. Caroline Flint's claim can therefore be stood up if we use the 1996 lefty change the record. Every time someone posts a link you dont agree with , you start screaming far left or far right .Lets agree we are all biased , all links are biased , and leave it at that instead of constantly shooting the messenger. Well if you bother to actually read the article , the author tells you in the article where he gets the figures from.....
(This figure will surprise some people. For clarity it comes from the DWP and ONS publication Households Below Average Income, 2017/18. See Table 3b: Estimated number of individuals in relative/absolute low income, United Kingdom, Column I, comparing 1997/98 with 2009/10.)
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Post by thomas on Feb 18, 2024 8:45:37 GMT
Leftie, you assume I like the current government, I don't. This is something I point out time and again with these new labour supporters , where they cannot compute anything outside of the two party system. If you hate new labour you must be a tory , and vice versa. It really does show a lack of thought and originality. I would argue the vast majority on this forum aren't supportive of either of the main two British parties , never mind the majority of the electorate as I keep saying. Lefty and others like him simply cannot think outside the two party box. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 18, 2024 8:51:48 GMT
Leftie, you assume I like the current government, I don't. Only good things it's done are leave the EU, aid Ukraine and get us a few FTAs, they haven't capitalised on the biggest advantages of independence. We should not be levying customs tariffs on things we do not make or grow, should we? We should not be levying VAT on basic essentials, should we? We need to rebuild our military. We should buy more M270 MLRS systems, shouldn't we? We should scrap failed devolution, cut the cost of government and put the money to better use. We should also scrap the Lords and have a non partisan house of scrutiny, with candidates elected on the basis of their qualifications and experience. Labour did a lot of damage and had to go. Doesn't mean I'm fond of the Tories. If Labour learn from their mistakes and move to being a viable party of government which addresses the above and gets rid of devolution, I could be convinced to vote for them. And scrap tuition fees for STEM subjects. Cut the cost of education and living for students. Not saying you like the Current Govenment. Dose that include Boris period. And are you saying Brexit had no effect on the Economy |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 18, 2024 8:53:23 GMT
Leftie, you assume I like the current government, I don't. This is something I point out time and again with these new labour supporters , where they cannot compute anything outside of the two party system. If you hate new labour you must be a tory , and vice versa. It really does show a lack of thought and originality. I would argue the vast majority on this forum aren't supportive of either of the main two British parties , never mind the majority of the electorate as I keep saying. Lefty and others like him simply cannot think outside the two party box. I often call them.right wingers not tory . |
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Post by thomas on Feb 18, 2024 8:57:26 GMT
This is something I point out time and again with these new labour supporters , where they cannot compute anything outside of the two party system. If you hate new labour you must be a tory , and vice versa. It really does show a lack of thought and originality. I would argue the vast majority on this forum aren't supportive of either of the main two British parties , never mind the majority of the electorate as I keep saying. Lefty and others like him simply cannot think outside the two party box. I often call them.right wingers not tory . who cares? throwing silly wee names at people isnt going to win you elections. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 18, 2024 9:01:13 GMT
I often call them.right wingers not tory . who cares? throwing silly wee names at people isnt going to win you elections. Hang on haven't you just called me mental |
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Post by thomas on Feb 18, 2024 9:03:21 GMT
who cares? throwing silly wee names at people isnt going to win you elections. Hang on haven't you just called me mental you are mental. My point is screaming tory , or far left/right at people is nonsensical rubbish and lacking in any thought or originality. Labour Party groupthink in action. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 18, 2024 10:01:19 GMT
Brexit has helped the economy enormously, not least by bringing about the fall in the value of the previously overvalued pound.
It used to be cheaper to manufacture abroad and import and that resulted in a lot of industrial decline.
We'd have crashed into severe recession in 2022 if we'd remained in the EU.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 18, 2024 10:02:59 GMT
Thomas looked at that link and there nothing about poverty saying it was Zero unless I'm looking in the wrong place Their economic promise was, therefore, one of pragmatic competence rather than radical departure. Existing spending plans would stay, income taxes would remain unchanged, corporate taxes would continue to go down, the ideological commitments of the 1980s would not be challenged, flexible labour markets and low interest rates would remain priorities. Given their ambitious plans for constitutional reform (particularly devolution and the House of Lords), New Labour’s economic strategy was avowedly modest. For a time, this was very successful. The United Kingdom enjoyed stronger levels of economic growth than other wealthy countries and wages were going up. Although the decline in manufacturing was accelerating, the expansion in service-sector jobs seemed to be filling the gap, even in the areas hardest hit by deindustrialisation. The minimum wage had been introduced without causing the surge in unemployment that big businesses had threatened, raising living standards for some of Britain’s poorest workers. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 18, 2024 10:04:13 GMT
Brexit has helped the economy enormously, not least by bringing about the fall in the value of the previously overvalued pound. It used to be cheaper to manufacture abroad and import and that resulted in a lot of industrial decline. We'd have crashed into severe recession in 2022 if we'd remained in the EU. take it to one of the Brexit threads then Vinny. If you dont want Brexit overturned , make sure you go out on polling day at the next general election to stop keir starmers new Labour Party getting voted in . If they get voted into power , the uk is getting taken back into the EU as we all know. Its as simple as that. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 18, 2024 10:05:25 GMT
Thomas looked at that link and there nothing about poverty saying it was Zero unless I'm looking in the wrong place That old chestnut? I gave you the exact quote and reference from what the author got his data from. Put your specs on . ( paragraph 14 of the article) |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 18, 2024 10:10:14 GMT
Brexit has helped the economy enormously, not least by bringing about the fall in the value of the previously overvalued pound. It used to be cheaper to manufacture abroad and import and that resulted in a lot of industrial decline. We'd have crashed into severe recession in 2022 if we'd remained in the EU. I thought you said the fall in the pound would lower house prices but it hasn't |
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Post by thomas on Feb 18, 2024 10:14:45 GMT
Brexit has helped the economy enormously, not least by bringing about the fall in the value of the previously overvalued pound. It used to be cheaper to manufacture abroad and import and that resulted in a lot of industrial decline. We'd have crashed into severe recession in 2022 if we'd remained in the EU. I thought you said the fall in the pound would lower house prices but it hasn't * gets popcorn* It's going to be interesting watching new labour come up against Englands brexiters at the next election. Could it be 6 - 0 to brexiters , or will starmer gain a goal back for the pro europeans? |
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