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Post by Bentley on Feb 12, 2024 23:19:16 GMT
Before COVID my experience of GP surgeries was full waiting rooms and busy receptionists .
Since COVID my experience of GP surgeries is empty waiting rooms and bored looking receptionists.
A&E departments are over flowing apparently.
I’ve had to put a rocket up the arse of two clinics just to get an appointment since COVID .
Yet the NHS staff seem to believe that they deserve a whacking great pay rise .
So the question isn’t ‘ would you pay extra ‘ for better medication . More like would you ever get through the system to be in position to get prescribed by the NHS staff , still caught in COVID lethargy?
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Post by Bentley on Feb 12, 2024 23:27:52 GMT
Also. I suspect that the Alzheimer’s drugs will not be available for some years yet so it’s not really a question to ask the present crusties .
Maybe it would be more apt to ask the younger people whether are prepared to wait until they are over 70to retire in order to obtain better NHS treatment inc improved drugs to treat dementia l
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Post by wapentake on Feb 13, 2024 0:15:32 GMT
It’s all very well to slag off the nhs but is private all it’s cracked up to be? just look over the pond at two men with potential to be the most powerful figure in the. world and thinking of cracked they’re both crackpots lol.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Feb 13, 2024 1:12:47 GMT
I recently had an appointment with a young woman GP who is a fitness fanatic. After dealing with the reason I was there we spent the rest of the consultation talking about what we do to stay fit. I checked what she wrote about me in my medical records ... she made me sound like I was a candidate for the Olympics. She also sent me a message saying that she would be happy to see me again if I had any further problems. Every surgery should have at least one doctor like her.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2024 8:08:49 GMT
Diversity managers, necessary or not are a tiny teeny weeny part of health spending. Grow up. OK - you want to protect diversity managers. What about something else that is in the news - Junior Doctors?. What guarantee would I have that any extra spending on the NHS would go on patient treatment and not higher wages for doctors? You're destroying yet another thread. Diversity managers cost virtually nothing of NHS budget. Doctors pay is the amount required to keep doctors. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2024 8:14:16 GMT
Reply to all.
Whilst anecdotal experiences are interesting. The thread is about whether restricting the NHS budget to inflation rates is realistic when we expect new treatments every year.
Or does tying it to inflation or just above actually represent cutting its service.
It is my opinion that the Tories deliberately played this game to break the NHS and try and make Private health services look better.
I am not against private health, but I do want a level playing field to judge the game on.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2024 8:15:34 GMT
You're destroying yet another thread. Diversity managers cost virtually nothing of NHS budget. Doctors pay is the amount required to keep doctors. You're the one insisting people should be paying more into the NHS whilst throwing a tantrum when other people highlight the wastage that already exists. You're the one who's opinion I could not care less about. Another who adds nothing to the subject but always there to insult the person. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2024 8:25:57 GMT
You're the one insisting people should be paying more into the NHS whilst throwing a tantrum when other people highlight the wastage that already exists. You're the one who's opinion I could not care less about. Another who adds nothing to the subject but always there to insult the person. I haven't insulted you, but can see you throwing around insults and childish tantrums when people disagree with you. I have merely shared my opinion of what is going on on this thread.  |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 13, 2024 9:31:14 GMT
You're the one insisting people should be paying more into the NHS whilst throwing a tantrum when other people highlight the wastage that already exists. You're the one who's opinion I could not care less about. Another who adds nothing to the subject but always there to insult the person. Says the one throwing a tantrum . |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 13, 2024 11:35:36 GMT
Reply to all. Whilst anecdotal experiences are interesting. The thread is about whether restricting the NHS budget to inflation rates is realistic when we expect new treatments every year. Or does tying it to inflation or just above actually represent cutting its service. If you increase public sector productivity you can have the new treatments and keep spending under control. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 13, 2024 12:17:19 GMT
I think it is you who should do the growing up You asked the (imo reasonable) question ‘would i pay more NI to have these drugs available when i need them’ There are many things that must be thought about here Will i get alzheimers, or will i die of something else first ? It is a fact that the majority of men on a pathologist’s slab for a post mortem show unmistakable signs of onset of prostate cancer that would have killed them had the bus / train / fall from height / explosion / machete wielding mad axe murderer not put them on the slab first. To judge if the expense is worth it, what are the chances i will suffer this given my existing medical history. I don't want an answer, i merely wish to present the question i would ask a specialist before deciding if it were worth the expense. And if i do get alzheimers how bad would it get before one of the above or indeed any of the many other ways to die get me If i did present with symptoms of Alzheimer's and a diagnosis is confirmed, how bad would it be before i qualified for this drug. at the time of my second clinical death and resuscitation, while i stood in the foyer of the Welsh assembly back in about 2008, I had gone there to protest Blairs insane 48 hour appointment failure fines on GP surgeries which meant my doctor refused to give me an appointment to collect a repeat script for my beta blockers because they had no slots to do so inside 48 hours. After almost a week of no tablets i went to see my assembly member and collapsed with no pulse while waiting. A lady i was speaking to in the foyer just before my heart gave out was there to protest she had no access to a breast cancer drug known to send early detected cases into remission, because the assembly deemed it too expensive to be used for that and only allowed it be prescribed on the NHS to prolong end stage survival. Private patients and those on the Assembly Menbers Health Plan of course got it privately. But the ordinary payers of NI had to become terminally ill to receive a drug known to send early cases into remission. I’ll let you think about that one.
My next question concerns foreign NHS tourists. My father died in agony on a stinking side ward in floor C5 of UHW because some Nigerian / Gold Coast immigrant who paid not a penny into our NHS was allowed to come here to enjoy the hospice bed he was denied the use of having paid into the system all his soon to end life to provide it for her.
And what guarantee to i have the mad axe murderer who vowed to butcher my daughter and all the other trial witnesses, or some shitbag recently baptised after fucking half the white girls in Rochdale while chanting Allah u Akbar, or Suzy Izzard won’t get ahead of me on the list Then of course the final question is would this actually work ??
If we did throw tbe 20mph rollout budget of the whole UK at it, what guarantee do i have it will work ?? |
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Post by borchester on Feb 13, 2024 12:55:24 GMT
Too bloody right.
A man has two important muscles in his body and as long as the one between his ears is working, most other problems can be solved.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2024 15:59:49 GMT
Reply to all. Whilst anecdotal experiences are interesting. The thread is about whether restricting the NHS budget to inflation rates is realistic when we expect new treatments every year. Or does tying it to inflation or just above actually represent cutting its service. If you increase public sector productivity you can have the new treatments and keep spending under control. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2024 16:13:06 GMT
I think it is you who should do the growing up You asked the (imo reasonable) question ‘would i pay more NI to have these drugs available when i need them’ There are many things that must be thought about here Will i get alzheimers, or will i die of something else first ? It is a fact that the majority of men on a pathologist’s slab for a post mortem show unmistakable signs of onset of prostate cancer that would have killed them had the bus / train / fall from height / explosion / machete wielding mad axe murderer not put them on the slab first. To judge if the expense is worth it, what are the chances i will suffer this given my existing medical history. I don't want an answer, i merely wish to present the question i would ask a specialist before deciding if it were worth the expense. And if i do get alzheimers how bad would it get before one of the above or indeed any of the many other ways to die get me If i did present with symptoms of Alzheimer's and a diagnosis is confirmed, how bad would it be before i qualified for this drug. at the time of my second clinical death and resuscitation, while i stood in the foyer of the Welsh assembly back in about 2008, I had gone there to protest Blairs insane 48 hour appointment failure fines on GP surgeries which meant my doctor refused to give me an appointment to collect a repeat script for my beta blockers because they had no slots to do so inside 48 hours. After almost a week of no tablets i went to see my assembly member and collapsed with no pulse while waiting. A lady i was speaking to in the foyer just before my heart gave out was there to protest she had no access to a breast cancer drug known to send early detected cases into remission, because the assembly deemed it too expensive to be used for that and only allowed it be prescribed on the NHS to prolong end stage survival. Private patients and those on the Assembly Menbers Health Plan of course got it privately. But the ordinary payers of NI had to become terminally ill to receive a drug known to send early cases into remission. I’ll let you think about that one.
My next question concerns foreign NHS tourists. My father died in agony on a stinking side ward in floor C5 of UHW because some Nigerian / Gold Coast immigrant who paid not a penny into our NHS was allowed to come here to enjoy the hospice bed he was denied the use of having paid into the system all his soon to end life to provide it for her.
And what guarantee to i have the mad axe murderer who vowed to butcher my daughter and all the other trial witnesses, or some shitbag recently baptised after fucking half the white girls in Rochdale while chanting Allah u Akbar, or Suzy Izzard won’t get ahead of me on the list Then of course the final question is would this actually work ??
If we did throw tbe 20mph rollout budget of the whole UK at it, what guarantee do i have it will work ?? I'll try and ignore your dreadful racism which has nothing to do with this subject. You are being to specific. I'm not talking about just one treatment, (though this is a very important one for the elderly who inhabit this site) I could just have easily said a proton scanner or genetic engineering for cystic fibrosys etc. Whether you could make some small savings with the tiny things you pick is academic they don't come close to the hundreds of new treatments, drugs etc that keep making health care more expensive. Your point on cost and return is fair, but those things are already part of the decision making for each patient. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2024 16:14:14 GMT
Too bloody right. A man has two important muscles in his body and as long as the one between his ears is working, most other problems can be solved. Was this an answer to the OP or John's post? |
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