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Post by Pacifico on Feb 12, 2024 11:59:35 GMT
£600/year to heat a 3-bedroom detached house without solar. The efficiency is 5x and in fact higher than the manufacturer's rating!
Because he did it properly.
How much did all this cost?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 12, 2024 12:57:21 GMT
The problem with BvL is that he can't tell the difference between mature, working technology and technology that might work some time in the future. He reads some bollocks on the internet about some new technology and he assumes that it'll be in production next month - but most of this stuff will NEVER make it to production. And the bottom line is that the Govt should not mandate technology that simple DOES NOT work for most people - like heat pumps and BEVs. The govt are as bad as BvL. They just think that if they pass a law then the "scientists" will come to their rescue and make some breakthrough. Sometimes it's not that easy. I don't think BEVs will ever work for most people and the same goes for heat pumps. I had a new gas boiler fitted last year and I asked the fitter about heat pumps. He said that they just don't work for most houses - and even for those that they do work for they're very complex to fit. To do it properly it's a big project because most houses have been built around a gas boiler. You need a very good fitter and there are very few companies that are qualified to do the job yet. The problem with BvL is that he can't tell the difference between mature, working technology and technology that might work some time in the future.
That's a lie. You are just putting me down for something I never said or showed.
The govt are as bad as BvL. They just think that if they pass a law then the "scientists" will come to their rescue and make some breakthrough.
That's a second lie. I've never supported the forcing of green tech and have said recently the complete opposite, saying it will make the tech more expensive and be a waste in terms of efficiency. Please do not attack me with things I never said or believed to make yourself look better. You should be able to make yourself look good on your own merits.
He said that they just don't work for most houses - and even for those that they do work for they're very complex to fit.
This appears to be a third lie. I think what he was trying to say was he was too incompetent to fit one so he lied to you in order to sell you a gas boiler. Another fucking dodgy tradesman then. This is why I started this thread, because I know there are a lot of liars about. The Tom Plumb guy is good though. He's setting an example here since everything he said as far as I can tell is accurate. so as for British workmen, not all bad, but a lot are. I don't mind if they can't do a job though since everyone has to learn. It's when they lie to you as well which really pisses me off.
According to Tom Plumb the average fit is 12 days. Yes it is a lot of work, but it is an investment. Good work and quality parts gives long trouble-free service. My view is this is a particularly good option if you are building it in for a new house. It means less additional work over a gas boiler because really you want to go for the underground heating like in the second video. His setup was top notch.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 12, 2024 13:03:21 GMT
£600/year to heat a 3-bedroom detached house without solar. The efficiency is 5x and in fact higher than the manufacturer's rating!
Because he did it properly.
How much did all this cost? He did not say, but another guy did one in a 3-bedroom house but used standard radiators and it came to 12K all in with solar. Looking at his system, maybe add a bit on for the floor, like say ~£15k. Remember is it not like for like because floor heating gives a better distribution of heat, so higher quality if you are into that sort of thing.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 12, 2024 18:38:47 GMT
How much did all this cost? He did not say, but another guy did one in a 3-bedroom house but used standard radiators and it came to 12K all in with solar. Looking at his system, maybe add a bit on for the floor, like say ~£15k. Remember is it not like for like because floor heating gives a better distribution of heat, so higher quality if you are into that sort of thing. without knowing the cost the whole exercise is pointless.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 12, 2024 20:14:09 GMT
He did not say, but another guy did one in a 3-bedroom house but used standard radiators and it came to 12K all in with solar. Looking at his system, maybe add a bit on for the floor, like say ~£15k. Remember is it not like for like because floor heating gives a better distribution of heat, so higher quality if you are into that sort of thing. without knowing the cost the whole exercise is pointless. It depends on so many things. I think the issue with the second guy was he was doing up his house at the same time so it would have been a lot of work to separate out what was for the heating and what was not. You can look at the prices of the main components yourself anyway. The bulk of the cost is the compressor and in addition to that it depends on what scheme you want to distribute the heat around the house. Existing radiators are the least efficient and the underfloor heating the most. The reason is you want the radiators to be as close to the room temperature as possible, hence the more surface area the closer you can get them. This is why the floor heating works best because the floor is a large surface.
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