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Post by Handyman on Nov 17, 2022 11:10:23 GMT
I would have thought a illegal migrant accused of a serious rape would be held in custody, the court has to assess whether he's a risk of breaching bail, given the fact he's illegal, and can flee back to where he originally came from would be sufficient grounds to deny bail. I agree but the Police and the Home Office have to abide by the Legislation, but as this man has not even been charged with anything yet the Police have to grant him bail |
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Asylum
Nov 17, 2022 11:17:21 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on Nov 17, 2022 11:17:21 GMT
I would have thought a illegal migrant accused of a serious rape would be held in custody, the court has to assess whether he's a risk of breaching bail, given the fact he's illegal, and can flee back to where he originally came from would be sufficient grounds to deny bail. I agree but the Police and the Home Office have to abide by the Legislation, but as this man has not even been charged with anything yet the Police have to grant him bail To be honest I've never agreed with naming alleged rapists, this type of crime has serious consequences on the accused life, their livelihood, family life and every other aspect, even if they are found not guilty you always get the 'no smoke without fire' label.
Fair enough if they are found guilty then publish their names, and that way any other 'victims' can then come forward, but destroying a life because maybe some jealous ex-girlfriend or some unhinged person accuses you of rape, for this reason I believe alleged rapists should not be named until after a trial.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 17, 2022 13:08:56 GMT
This is what the CPS state
"Defendants in criminal cases in England and Wales, in all but exceptional cases and cases involving people under 18, are named at point of charge. Changes in legal policy and legislation around anonymity for suspects accused of rape and other crimes are a matter for wider government, but it is our consistent experience that the publicity given to cases serves to encourage additional complainants and witnesses to come forward, giving the police access to valuable additional evidence and enabling the CPS to build a prosecution case."
As you rightly point out other victims may forward and provide additional evidence to secure a conviction which has meant that serial rapists such as the Taxi Driver Warboys was put away for a very long time.
However, the other side of the coin is that some people think that too many suspected Rapists are not convicted when charged with rape in many cases and want the threshold of evidence lowered, it all boils down to one person's word against the other, he or she consented to sex, which IMHO is a very slippery slope and undermines a fair trial
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Asylum
Nov 17, 2022 13:15:59 GMT
Post by Toreador on Nov 17, 2022 13:15:59 GMT
It's jaw dropping we have a housing shortage, and a young child dies in a mold infested flat, while fit young healthy men are being put up in luxury accommodation with 3 meals a day, swimming pool, spa, in a luxury hotel overlooking a lagoon FFS Here we go again. At your next branch meeting of UKIP/EDL/BNP what ever one you get your info from. Who is to blame for a kid dying in a mouldy flat. And could you give a link to this luxury accommodation with its 3 meals a day, with swimming pools a spa and overlooking a lagoon. Do they get £84,000 a year as well. Now if I was you I would write to Enoch Braverman in the Home Office and tell her you have had enough of funding young men. With 3 meals a day, with swimming pools a spa and overlooking a lagoon. As you use the tragic death of kid to bolster your twisted mind. The wankers in Westminster you apologise for matey are 100% to blame. In the 44 days the Truss muppet show was in power she cost the UK tax payer, that's me, £620 million a day in her 44 days. That matey is what is causing mouldy flats. Not one or two flats. By the millions. On top of the Truss muppet show destroying the economy to the intervention of the Bank of England. That by the way matey is also a misnomer. It is not a bank. It s a regulatory authority that regulates the banks in the United Kingdom, acting as lender of last resort, and had to intervene with more QE to stop the effect of the Truss muppet show. Mind you its a while since unmarried mothers was fed into the swede, as the next imaginary enemy to hate. What exactly are you defending. By the way. I have no time for Gove. But heads up on him for this one. www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/news/gove-summons-housing-association-chief-after-toddlers-unacceptable-death-from-mould-79120 Yaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn |
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Nov 18, 2022 8:35:39 GMT
Post by jaydee on Nov 18, 2022 8:35:39 GMT
I would have thought a illegal migrant accused of a serious rape would be held in custody, the court has to assess whether he's a risk of breaching bail, given the fact he's illegal, and can flee back to where he originally came from would be sufficient grounds to deny bail. No matey you do not think. You rant. Now instead of this mythical fairy and magic ghost you keep blaming for all the ails of England. How about you accepting the fact that the blame lies squarely at the door of the Home Office. Now why do you not write to Enoch Braverman and ask for a explanation how the thousands of illegal immigrants who are here and had the status of asylum denied. Why are they still here. While the penny is dropping and it is not the fault of the magic fairy and ghost. It is down to the UK government. Ask her why all those Albanian criminals you are on about. Were allowed entry into the country in the first place. They are all subject to passport control. Then ask her why they are still here. Then while you are at it. Could you ask her. Why has the channel crossing in less than a year. Went from a trickle to the Niagara falls. And why does it take years to deal with them. The why you are at it. Could you ask her. Despite the fact the French have given the UK border force total control on their soil, at the port of Calais. Could you ask her. How do even dead asylum seekers get through. Some 37 in one go. And I take it you are not going to supply any evidence that the French police encourage asylum seekers and doing nothing about it. That is what you said. You know that magic fairy and ghost in your head. Who is to blame for it all. . |
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Nov 18, 2022 8:54:23 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on Nov 18, 2022 8:54:23 GMT
We should send all illegal migrants to Scotland, when they become independent and join the EU, they'll be better off, dump them on Scotland, I see the poison dwarf is demanding another £1.5 billion to prop up the NHS that she's fucked up, when are the people of Scotland going to get rid of that liability.
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Nov 18, 2022 9:04:10 GMT
Post by sheepy on Nov 18, 2022 9:04:10 GMT
We should send all illegal migrants to Scotland, when they become independent and join the EU, they'll be better off, dump them on Scotland, I see the poison dwarf is demanding another £1.5 billion to prop up the NHS that she's fucked up, when are the people of Scotland going to get rid of that liability. The SNP are complete crap, but its fun watching its drones trying to cover for it, by attacking the English for their every woe. |
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Nov 18, 2022 9:20:44 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on Nov 18, 2022 9:20:44 GMT
We should send all illegal migrants to Scotland, when they become independent and join the EU, they'll be better off, dump them on Scotland, I see the poison dwarf is demanding another £1.5 billion to prop up the NHS that she's fucked up, when are the people of Scotland going to get rid of that liability. The SNP are complete crap, but its fun watching its drones trying to cover for it, by attacking the English for their every woe. Will be very interesting how she is going to make her case for independence when she can't balance the books, I'm surprised central government haven't sent the SFO to investigate the SNP finances, there's a lot of people with their fingers in the till, money is just vanishing. |
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Asylum
Nov 18, 2022 13:21:09 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 18, 2022 13:21:09 GMT
We should send all illegal migrants to Scotland, when they become independent and join the EU, they'll be better off, dump them on Scotland, I see the poison dwarf is demanding another £1.5 billion to prop up the NHS that she's fucked up, when are the people of Scotland going to get rid of that liability. Do you mean illegal migrants or do you mean asylum seekers? For someone who talks a lot about it, you still seem to have some confusion. |
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Nov 18, 2022 13:48:39 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on Nov 18, 2022 13:48:39 GMT
We should send all illegal migrants to Scotland, when they become independent and join the EU, they'll be better off, dump them on Scotland, I see the poison dwarf is demanding another £1.5 billion to prop up the NHS that she's fucked up, when are the people of Scotland going to get rid of that liability. Do you mean illegal migrants or do you mean asylum seekers? For someone who talks a lot about it, you still seem to have some confusion. No more than the UK immigration system, they can't make their minds up either, they don't know if illegal dinghy people from France are illegal migrants or asylum seekers, maybe even refugees, the system is a utter shambles. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 18, 2022 13:56:59 GMT
No not at all Fairsociety, the confusion is purely in your head.
If you arrive here say by boat,
if you claim asylum you are then here legally while you case is heard, and you are an "asylum seeker"
If you do not claim asylum, you are here illegally and are an illegal immigrant.
Only after an asylum application has been determined and found to be justified does an asylum seeker change status and become a refugee
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Nov 18, 2022 14:05:07 GMT
Post by Fairsociety on Nov 18, 2022 14:05:07 GMT
No not at all Fairsociety, the confusion is purely in your head. If you arrive here say by boat, if you claim asylum you are then here legally while you case is heard, and you are an " asylum seeker"If you do not claim asylum, you are here illegally and are an illegal immigrant.Only after an asylum application has been determined and found to be justified does an asylum seeker change status and become a refugeeThey are not asylum seekers when the are being picked up in the Channel in a dinghy, coming from a 'safe haven' known as France, you clot.
They come with no ID hoping they can claim asylum to stay because they will be in fear of their lives returning back to where they came from ... France.
They are chancers, chancing their arm, you can call them what the fuck you like, I'm calling them illegal migrants with no legitimacy to claim asylum in the UK
Do we understand each other now?
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Nov 18, 2022 14:08:37 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 18, 2022 14:08:37 GMT
You can use whatever inaccurate terminology you wish, Fairsociety. However the facts are that the definitions are as I described
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Nov 18, 2022 14:24:35 GMT
Post by Orac on Nov 18, 2022 14:24:35 GMT
You can use whatever inaccurate terminology you wish, Fairsociety. However the facts are that the definitions are as I described I'm sorry it's just basic logic. If room C is full of cigarette smoke and rooms A & B are not. Somebody cannot be motivated to move from room A to B in order to seek shelter from the smoke in room C |
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Nov 18, 2022 14:33:14 GMT
Post by dappy on Nov 18, 2022 14:33:14 GMT
Fairsociety was arguing about correct terminology, Mags. He was confused about what different labels for people meant and suggested that Border Control were similarly confused. He was (and perhaps still is ) they are not.
On the different question as to whether people wishing to claim asylum must do so in the first safe country, they are not. Again that is simply a fact.
Yu may wish it were not and argue it should be changed but as of now that is the reality.
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