Workhouses.

Yes indeed, I am aware of this. My mum-in-law worked well into her 70's because she wanted to. However, Andrew appeared to be suggesting that pensioners 'should' work. 

They generally don’t , unless asked .
Don’t mistake this forum for real life .

Who's moaning? I don't know any pensioners who moan. I know pensioners who should bloody moan, but like most pensioners they shut up and put up with things because they don't like making a fuss. Are you forgetting that pensioners have spent a lifetime working and paying into a system that rewards them with one of the lowest old age pensions in Europe? Actually you're not forgetting are you. Anyone who is ignorant enough to say "If they stopped moaning they'd get less sick", is quite obviously thick and should not be taken seriously.  

Such hard choices might also have to include the withdrawal of unneeded freebies like winter fuel payments from pensioners who don't need them. Pensioners claim as much welfare as the rest of the population put together.

And the majority of working age people claiming welfare already have a job. The problem here is not lack of a job. It is lack of a decent wage or an insufficiency of guaranteed hours, and also extortionate private rents which are often by some margin the largest component of working age people's welfare claims, working or not. Do something meaningful in regards to better pay, more guaranteed hours, and cheaper rents and the welfare bill will come down naturally. But not at the expense of the working poor or even poorer pensioners, but at the expense of profiteering employers paying low wages and guaranteeing too few hours, and greedy landlords charging as much as the market allows them to get away with charging.

Because it is primarily low pay and high rents being subsidised by the taxpayer through welfare, and this is a big part the problem. If work paid as it should do and living costs were reasonably affordable as they should be, there would be very few working welfare claimants.

But it seems to invariably be the case - and you yourself epitomise this attitude - that those who spend all their time pontificating about the poor hard done by rich, constantly see those with the least as the real problem all the time. Which is persuasive to the minority who think like you who are well represented in the Tory party membership, but tends to repulse the silent majority. Which is why so few Tory MPs who know this and need to be elected from time to time tend not to publicly moan about how hard the rich have it whilst criticising the poor, whatever they might privately think.

You said, and I quote: "If they stopped moaning about everyone else, they'd get less stick", as far as I'm concerned that puts your IQ front and centre. 

I may be a pensioner, but I'm not an old age pensioner and expressing an opinion is not moaning. Pillock. 

You have now edited your posts in an attempt to hide your own stupidity, But you did indeed accuse me of saying "If they stopped moaning about everyone else, they'd get less sick"

And my quote of your original exact words a few posts ago which you cannot edit shows what you actually said.

Clown

I didn't edit anything, I wrote what I thought you said in an earlier post, however in my haste to reply I misread what you said, apologies. 

A very rare mistake on my part...