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Post by zanygame on Feb 17, 2024 9:05:50 GMT
China has a million volt DC line that stretches right across the country from the sea to the far north where they generate the power. They got the equipment from Siemens. I would guess that if you had a spot of zero wind at one end, you would get a different weather at the other end. Now imagine if we had a whole load of them so they reach out from us in all directions. The further the network goes the less backup you need. Add in the ability to store power for short periods and you eventually close the gap. As ever the storage is the problem. I have a 12Kw battery storage that realistically will deliver 6Kw without degrading the battery bank. On a bleak still winter's day if I was all electric I would require at least 30Kw to be comfortable at a basic level. The battery bank weighs about half a tonne. Or better usage and distribution. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 17, 2024 9:37:44 GMT
Nod wink lie No2
Curtailment.
Cost 2% of electrical cost in 2022. This was mostly due to poor grid connection and distribution.
You know, the calls for those pylons across Norfolk, because its cheaper than going round the cost to London where its needed.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2024 12:00:52 GMT
Sometimes it can be absence for frequent periods. Nigel is right about that.. China has a million volt DC line that stretches right across the country from the sea to the far north where they generate the power. They got the equipment from Siemens. I would guess that if you had a spot of zero wind at one end, you would get a different weather at the other end. Now imagine if we had a whole load of them so they reach out from us in all directions. The further the network goes the less backup you need. Add in the ability to store power for short periods and you eventually close the gap. China also has hundreds of large coal fired powered stations. 'China’s power industry calls for hundreds of new coal power plants by 2030'... unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/28/china-new-coal-plants-2030-climate/ |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 17, 2024 12:06:26 GMT
As ever the storage is the problem. I have a 12Kw battery storage that realistically will deliver 6Kw without degrading the battery bank. On a bleak still winter's day if I was all electric I would require at least 30Kw to be comfortable at a basic level. The battery bank weighs about half a tonne. Or better usage and distribution. Most people are well linked in to better usage, they have to be as the costs are crippling them. Distribution is of course a point however one cannot distribute that which you do not have and either massive storage is required or back up production of some sort. Efficient distribution is quite expensive to create. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2024 12:14:26 GMT
The excessive cost of wind power not looking good.. Even if true, it is still more likely to be dirtier than wind power, along with being a limited source of energy. Contrary to mainstream belief, wind turbines are neither effective nor, in many cases, good for the environment - linkTrue Cost of Offshore Wind Power is Absolutely Staggering - linkMany similar links available, see google. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2024 12:31:49 GMT
In the UK we currently have c11,500 wind turbines owned largely by Denmark, Sweden and Norway. By 2030 the projected cost of building wind turbines will be £48 billion [This does not include running and maintenance costs] Materials required for one [1] wind turbine: 335 tons of steel 4.7 tons of copper 1,200 tons of concrete 3 tons of aluminium 2 tons of rare earth elements Aluminium Zinc Molybdenum Multiply the above numbers by 11,500, then ask yourself a question: Are wind turbines really environmentally friendly? www.wind-watch.org/documents/metals-and-minerals-in-wind-turbines/ |
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Post by ALAIN DELON on Feb 17, 2024 12:52:13 GMT
Their latest ploy is 'carbon capture and sequestration' which even Greta and the right-wingers can agree on being a fraud. Link |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 17, 2024 13:04:57 GMT
China has a million volt DC line that stretches right across the country from the sea to the far north where they generate the power. They got the equipment from Siemens. I would guess that if you had a spot of zero wind at one end, you would get a different weather at the other end. Now imagine if we had a whole load of them so they reach out from us in all directions. The further the network goes the less backup you need. Add in the ability to store power for short periods and you eventually close the gap. China is 3,250 miles wide - the UK is 300 miles wide. it's quite common to have the same weather conditions across the entire country. The sea is pretty wide. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 17, 2024 13:08:34 GMT
China has a million volt DC line that stretches right across the country from the sea to the far north where they generate the power. They got the equipment from Siemens. I would guess that if you had a spot of zero wind at one end, you would get a different weather at the other end. Now imagine if we had a whole load of them so they reach out from us in all directions. The further the network goes the less backup you need. Add in the ability to store power for short periods and you eventually close the gap. And there must be plenty of room for developing the means of production. Think in terms of just how much car development has taken place in just the last 50 Years. High voltage DC works out cheaper if you want to run it over 80km.
Actually if you look at UK HVDC lines you see there are many being built, and one is going to run all the way to Africa where it is sunny every day.
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Post by thomas on Feb 17, 2024 13:12:02 GMT
or keir starmer? What keirs u turn today ? Not interested in your own personal political hang ups. I bet you aren't. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 17, 2024 13:16:35 GMT
As usual the UK tax payers are funding green nonsense so we can keep land owners wealthy and the manufacturers and shareholders, with these windmills on steroids.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 17, 2024 13:18:28 GMT
China has a million volt DC line that stretches right across the country from the sea to the far north where they generate the power. They got the equipment from Siemens. I would guess that if you had a spot of zero wind at one end, you would get a different weather at the other end. Now imagine if we had a whole load of them so they reach out from us in all directions. The further the network goes the less backup you need. Add in the ability to store power for short periods and you eventually close the gap. As ever the storage is the problem. I have a 12Kw battery storage that realistically will deliver 6Kw without degrading the battery bank. On a bleak still winter's day if I was all electric I would require at least 30Kw to be comfortable at a basic level. The battery bank weighs about half a tonne. If you build a solar array that instead of using electric solar you use heat, then you can store the heat for a few minutes in the molten salt, so this flattens out the curve for when it is cloudy in patches.
The thing about engineers which is not present in journalists, is engineers are resourceful and think up solutions those at GB News would fail at even if it were a matter of life and death, hence why you get the difference in opinion. What a GB News reporter thinks is impossible is often possible to implement as an engineer, what with all that vast knowledge of maths, physics and engineering. Now if you want the engineer's version of reality in the UK we had better bloody start being nice to them and paying them more than these blondes with a social science degree. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 17, 2024 13:21:02 GMT
In the UK we currently have c11,500 wind turbines owned largely by Denmark, Sweden and Norway. By 2030 the projected cost of building wind turbines will be £48 billion [This does not include running and maintenance costs] Materials required for one [1] wind turbine: 335 tons of steel 4.7 tons of copper 1,200 tons of concrete 3 tons of aluminium 2 tons of rare earth elements Aluminium Zinc Molybdenum Multiply the above numbers by 11,500, then ask yourself a question: Are wind turbines really environmentally friendly? www.wind-watch.org/documents/metals-and-minerals-in-wind-turbines/Before citing supposed expert sources for any information it’s always wise to check their funding and management. energyandpolicy.org/tom-stacy-anti-wind-activist/Do you have any comparable stats on materials and ongoing fuelling costs and requirements for coal, gas and oil power generation…? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 17, 2024 13:39:28 GMT
China has a million volt DC line that stretches right across the country from the sea to the far north where they generate the power. They got the equipment from Siemens. I would guess that if you had a spot of zero wind at one end, you would get a different weather at the other end. Now imagine if we had a whole load of them so they reach out from us in all directions. The further the network goes the less backup you need. Add in the ability to store power for short periods and you eventually close the gap. China also has hundreds of large coal fired powered stations. 'China’s power industry calls for hundreds of new coal power plants by 2030'... unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/28/china-new-coal-plants-2030-climate/Your Greenpiece link is 2019, which is actually helpful here, because they have placed a graph of their future projection of China's coal use.
Now since we can get a figure for up to 2023 we can measure the accuracy of Greenpiece. Lets do it. According to the graph the year of 2023 is projected to be just under 1200GW where the actual figure is 1,108.91 GW so about 16% over estimate in just 4 years.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2024 13:52:16 GMT
In the UK we currently have c11,500 wind turbines owned largely by Denmark, Sweden and Norway. By 2030 the projected cost of building wind turbines will be £48 billion [This does not include running and maintenance costs] Materials required for one [1] wind turbine: 335 tons of steel 4.7 tons of copper 1,200 tons of concrete 3 tons of aluminium 2 tons of rare earth elements Aluminium Zinc Molybdenum Multiply the above numbers by 11,500, then ask yourself a question: Are wind turbines really environmentally friendly? www.wind-watch.org/documents/metals-and-minerals-in-wind-turbines/Before citing supposed expert sources for any information it’s always wise to check their funding and management. energyandpolicy.org/tom-stacy-anti-wind-activist/Do you have any comparable stats on materials and ongoing fuelling costs and requirements for coal, gas and oil power generation…? In a debate the opposition usually provide their own evidence. |
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