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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2024 13:07:49 GMT
I see no one has mentioned the DUP coming to agreement with the uk government , and paving the way for the restoration of the Northern Ireland assembly at Stormont and the momentus symbol of Michelle o Neil being coronated as the first Sinn Fein leader of the old protestant apartheid state? www.sluggerotoole.com/2024/02/03/unionism-can-offer-so-much-more-and-it-now-has-the-chance/ meanwhile , hardcore unionism is screaming in anger at the alleged betrayal....... Jim Allister: “This agreement is accepting that never again will Northern Ireland be part of the United Kingdom. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2024 14:52:30 GMT
Northern Ireland will leave the union, and Scotland could too.
The UK is the only western European state whose unity is unstable, except for possibly Spain. Almost half of Northern Irish voters expect to rejoin the rest of Ireland within 20 years, and nearly 60% of Scots want some form of independence. Even in Wales, independence is favoured by almost a third. In all these cases, younger voters are the most eager for a breakup of the UK. This is hardly a trivial matter.
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 3, 2024 16:48:23 GMT
Im glad they have come to some arrangement . The DUP can only have the hump for so long even if they probably do have a case in being let down with the Brexit arrangement .They can still have the hump if they like but having it in a working government is better all round for the people of N Ireland .
As for the break up of the UK I don't think anyone cares anymore . There is certainly no argument from me if the regions ,sorry countries don't want to be run by Westminster , feck me we don't even want to be run by this lot . Knock yourself out .
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Post by Ripley on Feb 3, 2024 16:49:48 GMT
Northern Ireland will leave the union, and Scotland could too.
The UK is the only western European state whose unity is unstable, except for possibly Spain. Almost half of Northern Irish voters expect to rejoin the rest of Ireland within 20 years, and nearly 60% of Scots want some form of independence. Even in Wales, independence is favoured by almost a third. In all these cases, younger voters are the most eager for a breakup of the UK. This is hardly a trivial matter.
archive.is/AnzHH#selection-1503.0-1519.131 Previously the Windsor Framework deal between the EU and the UK that eased customs checks on goods moving to N.I. from the rUK didn’t satisfy the DUP. These new changes largely eliminate routine checks and paperwork for goods entering N.I. although some checks will remain. To appease the DUP and reassure the Unionists that N.I’s position in the UK is secure, the agreement includes legislation affirming Northern Ireland’s constitutional status as part of the UK and gives local politicians democratic oversight of any future EU laws that might apply to Northern Ireland. Once again, the DUP's co-operation is being bought. The UK government agrees to give Northern Ireland more than 3 Billion Pounds for public services once the Belfast government is up and running again. Call me cynical. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2024 19:13:23 GMT
Northern Ireland will leave the union, and Scotland could too.
The UK is the only western European state whose unity is unstable, except for possibly Spain. Almost half of Northern Irish voters expect to rejoin the rest of Ireland within 20 years, and nearly 60% of Scots want some form of independence. Even in Wales, independence is favoured by almost a third. In all these cases, younger voters are the most eager for a breakup of the UK. This is hardly a trivial matter.
archive.is/AnzHH#selection-1503.0-1519.131 Previously the Windsor Framework deal between the EU and the UK that eased customs checks on goods moving to N.I. from the rUK didn’t satisfy the DUP. These new changes largely eliminate routine checks and paperwork for goods entering N.I. although some checks will remain. To appease the DUP and reassure the Unionists that N.I’s position in the UK is secure, the agreement includes legislation affirming Northern Ireland’s constitutional status as part of the UK and gives local politicians democratic oversight of any future EU laws that might apply to Northern Ireland. Once again, the DUP's co-operation is being bought. The UK government agrees to give Northern Ireland more than 3 Billion Pounds for public services once the Belfast government is up and running again. Call me cynical. I do think London would dearly love to be rid of the northern Irish. Not just the legacy of the troubles , and the orange Frankenstein monster they created in the mid nineteenth century , but the cost of maintaining the province for absolutely zero benefit , coupled with European and American interference , is more than they can bare. On the flip side , no English (sorry uk )prime minister wants to be associated with the break up of the uk , and of course are massively worried if the northern Irish go , the whole pack of cards will tumble , and the Scottish cash cow that funds England will leave . not to mention how little England will look to the world without the cloak of brittannia . The symbolism of Michelle o Neil , of Sinn Fein , taking charge of the Stormont parliament , that was originally meant to be the protestant colonial settler parliament in an apartheid state to keep paddy down is momentus .The idea northern irelands position in the uk is secure is surely the opposite of what people are seeing ? This will send a shiver down the spines of Scotlands unionist population , and of course the world is watching brittannias grip loosens on the province. What more symbolism do people need than to watch the uk effectively lose an integral past of its state to the EU and Dublin , and an Irish nationalist first minister take charge of what was once a majority orange protestant state? I doubt the present uk will survive the decade. |
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Post by Ripley on Feb 3, 2024 20:24:10 GMT
Previously the Windsor Framework deal between the EU and the UK that eased customs checks on goods moving to N.I. from the rUK didn’t satisfy the DUP. These new changes largely eliminate routine checks and paperwork for goods entering N.I. although some checks will remain. To appease the DUP and reassure the Unionists that N.I’s position in the UK is secure, the agreement includes legislation affirming Northern Ireland’s constitutional status as part of the UK and gives local politicians democratic oversight of any future EU laws that might apply to Northern Ireland. Once again, the DUP's co-operation is being bought. The UK government agrees to give Northern Ireland more than 3 Billion Pounds for public services once the Belfast government is up and running again. Call me cynical. I do think London would dearly love to be rid of the northern Irish. Not just the legacy of the troubles , and the orange Frankenstein monster they created in the mid nineteenth century , but the cost of maintaining the province for absolutely zero benefit , coupled with European and American interference , is more than they can bare. On the flip side , no English (sorry uk )prime minister wants to be associated with the break up of the uk , and of course are massively worried if the northern Irish go , the whole pack of cards will tumble , and the Scottish cash cow that funds England will leave . not to mention how little England will look to the world without the cloak of brittannia . The symbolism of Michelle o Neil , of Sinn Fein , taking charge of the Stormont parliament , that was originally meant to be the protestant colonial settler parliament in an apartheid state to keep paddy down is momentus .The idea northern irelands position in the uk is secure is surely the opposite of what people are seeing ? This will send a shiver down the spines of Scotlands unionist population , and of course the world is watching brittannias grip loosens on the province. What more symbolism do people need than to watch the uk effectively lose an integral past of its state to the EU and Dublin , and an Irish nationalist first minister take charge of what was once a majority orange protestant state? I doubt the present uk will survive the decade. I tend to agree. Everything is temporary, and it's unrealistic to expect things not to change. The question is, will the constituent members of the UK be able to be good neighbors after the split? |
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2024 20:28:21 GMT
I do think London would dearly love to be rid of the northern Irish. Not just the legacy of the troubles , and the orange Frankenstein monster they created in the mid nineteenth century , but the cost of maintaining the province for absolutely zero benefit , coupled with European and American interference , is more than they can bare. On the flip side , no English (sorry uk )prime minister wants to be associated with the break up of the uk , and of course are massively worried if the northern Irish go , the whole pack of cards will tumble , and the Scottish cash cow that funds England will leave . not to mention how little England will look to the world without the cloak of brittannia . The symbolism of Michelle o Neil , of Sinn Fein , taking charge of the Stormont parliament , that was originally meant to be the protestant colonial settler parliament in an apartheid state to keep paddy down is momentus .The idea northern irelands position in the uk is secure is surely the opposite of what people are seeing ? This will send a shiver down the spines of Scotlands unionist population , and of course the world is watching brittannias grip loosens on the province. What more symbolism do people need than to watch the uk effectively lose an integral past of its state to the EU and Dublin , and an Irish nationalist first minister take charge of what was once a majority orange protestant state? I doubt the present uk will survive the decade. I tend to agree. Everything is temporary, and it's unrealistic to expect things not to change. The question is, will the constituent members of the UK be able to be good neighbors after the split? who knows? Judging by past events such as the Irish leaving a hundred years ago , we will go through a period of London sulking, before reality bites and they man up. I doubt anyone cares. |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 3, 2024 21:39:37 GMT
Yep, I have no issue if the regions decide to leave first they need to win referendums and then agree leaving terms.
Scotland had one in 2014.
Wales voted for Brexit so not sure the independence referendum would even be close.
N.I might plump for Indy yet the Republic needs to agree too.
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Post by thomas on Feb 4, 2024 9:38:21 GMT
Yep, I have no issue if the regions decide to leave first they need to win referendums and then agree leaving terms. Scotland had one in 2014. Wales voted for Brexit so not sure the independence referendum would even be close. N.I might plump for Indy yet the Republic needs to agree too. Well with o Neil taking her seat as northern Irish first minister , and an impending labour government , perhaps a border poll is just around the corner. We will see what happens. If nationalists lose this one ,they will be entitled to another in 7 years. The goalpost have moved since , and we need a new one. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 18:41:17 GMT
The goalpost have moved since , and we need a new one. That's a lie. Down here people were laughing at the snats when they didn't accept the result and instantly started making demands for a second indy ref. The truth is that democracy isn't supported by the snats. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 4, 2024 21:03:44 GMT
The goalpost have moved since , and we need a new one. That's a lie. Down here people were laughing at the snats when they didn't accept the result and instantly started making demands for a second indy ref. The truth is that democracy isn't supported by the snats. we accepted the result. The result was implemented in 2014 , and once implemented , we can therefore go again. As democracy is a neverendum. Northern Ireland can get a new referendum every seven years , so why can't we? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 21:17:53 GMT
I didn't object, I was just pointing out the fact that your claim was bullshit. You simply used the EU referendum but even before that occurred the snats were demanding a second indy ref straight away. Down here people laughed about how fascist the SNP are in that they did not accept the result and continued to make demands. Referendums cost money, time and cause uncertainty.
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Post by thomas on Feb 5, 2024 7:50:16 GMT
I didn't object, I was just pointing out the fact that your claim was bullshit. You simply used the EU referendum but even before that occurred the snats were demanding a second indy ref straight away. Down here people laughed about how fascist the SNP are in that they did not accept the result and continued to make demands. Referendums cost money, time and cause uncertainty. whats bullshit about my claim? I said the goalposts have moved since 2014 , when scotland voted to remain for a while in a uk that was in the EU. You are no longer in the EU , hence the goalposts have moved. Remaining in the EU was a key plank of the unionist side, with every single major unionist party and politician in scotland supporting eu membership. Do keep up. ...then the British government shouldn't have agreed to one every seven years in Northern Ireland should they ? Whats good for one part of the disunited kingdom is good for another. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 11:14:57 GMT
Those in the know are aware that it was a UK-wide referendum, which Scotland voted to be included in when they voted to stay in the UK whilst England never had a say. I'm sorry you have to lie and twist things to suit your odd views, but no way are you the victim you make yourself out to be.
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Post by thomas on Feb 7, 2024 15:31:29 GMT
Those in the know are aware that it was a UK-wide referendum, which Scotland voted to be included in when they voted to stay in the UK whilst England never had a say. I'm sorry you have to lie and twist things to suit your odd views, but no way are you the victim you make yourself out to be. Northern Ireland and Gibraltar got to remain in the uk wide referendum................. |
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