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Post by piglet on Feb 3, 2024 11:27:37 GMT
Said that to vote reform is to put Labour in charge.
Im voting Reform then. Surely its not possible for things to get worse, it cant. When the weather gets better there will be thousands, daily coming over the channel, a gift from Rishi.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 3, 2024 11:50:23 GMT
I'm voting Reform.
Since there's no functional difference between the establishment parties the threat of a Labour government is somewhat hollow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 13:00:08 GMT
I'm voting Reform. Since there's no functional difference between the establishment parties the threat of a Labour government is somewhat hollow. Yes, will Labour let immigration grow out of control? No the Tories already did that. Will Labour fail to stop the boats and illegal immigration? No, the Tories did that. Will Labour produce a nonsense gender recognition act? No need their predecessors, NuLabour did that in 2004. Will Labour increase taxes whilst promising the opposite? The Tories did that. Will Labour break the pensioner triple lock? The Tories already did that whilst throwing good money after bad at Covid. Will Labour continue down the un-costed, untested, Nut Zero path? Maybe, but the Tories had it as their policy when they won with Boris. www.conservatives.com/our-planThey are all the same, but it could still get worse. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2024 13:57:48 GMT
I'm voting Reform. Since there's no functional difference between the establishment parties the threat of a Labour government is somewhat hollow. there's only so much mileage the two cheeks of the same arse party can get out of vote dumb to keep dumber out. The snp smashed the two party system in scotland , I see no reason whatsoever a disgruntled English electorate cannot do the same . Polling guru sir John curtice is consistent with pointing out labour are certainly not on course for a 1997 style win despite the polls , which show a fragile labour lead on a fraction of the electorate support on the worst turnout since universal suffrage began. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 3, 2024 14:06:39 GMT
Said that to vote reform is to put Labour in charge. Im voting Reform then. Surely its not possible for things to get worse, it cant. When the weather gets better there will be thousands, daily coming over the channel, a gift from Rishi. "A geezer on the TV" lol. Yes indeed Reform are bound to take Tory votes which will obviously help Labour, but as far as I'm concerned and I'm a Tory voter, the Tories have blown it. Immigration both legal and illegal is out of control on their watch, so I'm voting Reform. |
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Post by dappy on Feb 3, 2024 14:11:38 GMT
Remind me which seat you are in Red.
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2024 14:33:12 GMT
Remind me which seat you are in Red. whats the relevance? In scotland , it's the snp , not labour , that are challenging the tories and are best placed to take tory seats gained in the 2019 general election. If scotland can do it with a party that isn't labour ,why couldnt England? All the English need is a bit of belief in ending the two party system. Labour are a big part of the problem , not the solution to the uks problems...... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 3, 2024 14:54:23 GMT
I'm voting Reform. Since there's no functional difference between the establishment parties the threat of a Labour government is somewhat hollow. there's only so much mileage the two cheeks of the same arse party can get out of vote dumb to keep dumber out. The snp smashed the two party system in scotland , I see no reason whatsoever a disgruntled English electorate cannot do the same . Polling guru sir John curtice is consistent with pointing out labour are certainly not on course for a 1997 style win despite the polls , which show a fragile labour lead on a fraction of the electorate support on the worst turnout since universal suffrage began. Someone was giving an example where in one country they had the establishment capitalist/"conservative" party and a minor one like Reform, but eventually it flipped so the minor one became major and vice versa. I think it was Canada. On the socialist side these things are much more common since socialism is itslf a revolutionary thing. The capitalists are those who are as old as the hills, where socialism is very much a modernish thing devised by academics. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2024 15:00:22 GMT
there's only so much mileage the two cheeks of the same arse party can get out of vote dumb to keep dumber out. The snp smashed the two party system in scotland , I see no reason whatsoever a disgruntled English electorate cannot do the same . Polling guru sir John curtice is consistent with pointing out labour are certainly not on course for a 1997 style win despite the polls , which show a fragile labour lead on a fraction of the electorate support on the worst turnout since universal suffrage began. Someone was giving an example where in one country they had the establishment capitalist/"conservative" party and a minor one like Reform, but eventually it flipped so the minor one became major and vice versa. I think it was Canada. On the socialist side these things are much more common since socialism is itslf a revolutionary thing. The capitalists are those who are as old as the hills, where socialism is very much a modernish thing devised by academics. sure, but in the uk currently , the ousting of establishment parties has already happened in scotland .We dont need to look to exotic climes for examples. Im simply pointing out that I see no reason why reform uk couldnt make a dent in England. Only those who wish to maintain the two cheeks of the same arse status quo are putting the dampener on it. As we found in scotland , when the dam bursts , it takes all before it. whatever the pros and cons of socialism baron , im not sure there is a socialist within a mile of the current new Labour Party in the uk. It's another empty label , one of many , they try and use to appeal to a section of the electorate. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 3, 2024 15:17:56 GMT
Someone was giving an example where in one country they had the establishment capitalist/"conservative" party and a minor one like Reform, but eventually it flipped so the minor one became major and vice versa. I think it was Canada. On the socialist side these things are much more common since socialism is itslf a revolutionary thing. The capitalists are those who are as old as the hills, where socialism is very much a modernish thing devised by academics. sure, but in the uk currently , the ousting of establishment parties has already happened in scotland .We dont need to look to exotic climes for examples. Im simply pointing out that I see no reason why reform uk couldnt make a dent in England. Only those who wish to maintain the two cheeks of the same arse status quo are putting the dampener on it. As we found in scotland , when the dam bursts , it takes all before it. whatever the pros and cons of socialism baron , im not sure there is a socialist within a mile of the current new Labour Party in the uk. It's another empty label , one of many , they try and use to appeal to a section of the electorate. Back in the 18c and 19c Scotland was known for its capitalists, which were responsible for many industrial inventions, like Robert Stirling fro example. What the hell happened to it between then and now? |
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2024 19:26:32 GMT
sure, but in the uk currently , the ousting of establishment parties has already happened in scotland .We dont need to look to exotic climes for examples. Im simply pointing out that I see no reason why reform uk couldnt make a dent in England. Only those who wish to maintain the two cheeks of the same arse status quo are putting the dampener on it. As we found in scotland , when the dam bursts , it takes all before it. whatever the pros and cons of socialism baron , im not sure there is a socialist within a mile of the current new Labour Party in the uk. It's another empty label , one of many , they try and use to appeal to a section of the electorate. Back in the 18c and 19c Scotland was known for its capitalists, which were responsible for many industrial inventions, like Robert Stirling fro example. What the hell happened to it between then and now? What are you talking about? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 3, 2024 22:46:38 GMT
Back in the 18c and 19c Scotland was known for its capitalists, which were responsible for many industrial inventions, like Robert Stirling fro example. What the hell happened to it between then and now? What are you talking about? Why have they gone from being top capitalists to worrying about their pronouns and other socialist claptrap? |
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Post by thomas on Feb 4, 2024 9:33:10 GMT
What are you talking about? Why have they gone from being top capitalists to worrying about their pronouns and other socialist claptrap? Some people in scotland have been top capitalists as you put it , others have had different political and economic viewpoints throughout history. Scotland has a mixture of political views like any other country. The SNP isn't scotland. I doubt the snp would survive independence. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 9:34:02 GMT
Said that to vote reform is to put Labour in charge. Im voting Reform then. Surely its not possible for things to get worse, it cant. When the weather gets better there will be thousands, daily coming over the channel, a gift from Rishi. Reform need an extra factor, let's call it the F factor, and he does not yet seem to have made his mind up. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 4, 2024 10:24:54 GMT
Being a one trick pony will never work in the first past the post system.
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