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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 2, 2024 8:42:14 GMT
Anyone care to point me to Starmer's published viewpoint on the granting of asylum to those convicted in the UK of criminal offences committed in the UK after their illegal entry and while their claim for asylum was being processed ?
Naturally this question IS prompted by the revelation that one such illegal who jumped into a truck in 2016 and successfully reached these shores, whose claim for asylum was then rejected, but who was allowed to stay in this country to have an appeal heard, which was also rejected, and who was subsequently arrested, prosecuted and found guilty of committing a crime of a sexual nature while an asylum seeker then had this third application granted having been convicted of this crime ***BUT*** I feel this is a specific point that should be considered separately from this specific case, not least because The shitbag in question is seely supportive of the Welsh Wanker Drakeford's policy of welcoming any such on the grounds they will naturally vote labour
I say the man who gloats he will be in number ten next year if not sooner and those on here who support him in that aim should be brought to book to state how many other sex offenders found guilty of committing such crimes in the UK after they jump off the lorry, rubber raft or RNLI lifeboat before their asylum claim is settled shoud still be able to look forward to asylum in this country ?
Perhaps those in favour of allowing such people to indulge their sexual desires in this country would care to explain why a person in genuine fear of death through persecution in their country of origin would feel so supremely comfortable in their ability to gain access to this country they feel able to commit this - or indeed any - crime and still get given leave to remain.
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Post by dappy on Feb 2, 2024 11:01:07 GMT
It is a little baffling why you have put this in the Labour forum, John, when it would appear that it was under a Tory government that Ezedi was granted asylum after committing a criminal offence. Perfectly legitimate question for debate but wrong place (and would be better without the weird ranting)
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 2, 2024 11:22:15 GMT
We know 70% of asylums applications are successful, so three attempts would make it 97% likely to get in.
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 2, 2024 12:04:41 GMT
It is a little baffling why you have put this in the Labour forum, John, when it would appear that it was under a Tory government that Ezedi was granted asylum after committing a criminal offence. Perfectly legitimate question for debate but wrong place (and would be better without the weird ranting) I am looking to the future. If we are to believe certain people on this forum, Rishi and hs pals are doomed to the back benches As can be seen here www.gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2019-03/nation-of-sanctuary-refugee-and-asylum-seeker-plan_0.pdf Wankford the welsh First Twat is openly campaigning to fill marginal seats with as many asylum seekers as possible so as to destroy the power of the tory vote ... and Starmer has openly stated he sees Wankford's fiefdom as a blueprint for what he wants to do to the UK www.itv.com/news/wales/2022-03-12/keir-starmer-points-to-welsh-labour-government-as-blueprint-for-ukIt is therefore of paramount importance that everyone voting for the twat understand what he wants to do, would you not agree ??
I also seek to divorce the specific from the general.
For example, we used to distingush what the Americans refer to as misdemeanours from felonies. I believe they nicked the idea from us but this is a divergence from this thread. My stance would be that just as we used to hang felons, and we used to deny incarcerated prisoners the vote on the grounds their crimes meant they had forfeited the privileges of citizenship whilst they served their sentences, and could only have them restored when they regained teir freedom, so a criminal has forfeited, not because of who they are or what circumstances they came to us in, but because they have acted in the manner they have in committing the crimes they have, all right to have their plea for asylum here heard is forfeit. I am open to suggestions as to what level we set the bar here, but for the most obvious of reasons, crimes of violence, and crimes of a sexual nature, go to the top of the list when causing you to be rejected and removed. To allow sex criminals to continue to enjoy life in this country is to take the piss.
If you want to seek our help and our protection, then you need to live by our rules, not the ones applicable in the shithole you came from. After all, that's why you came isn't it.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 2, 2024 12:11:52 GMT
It is a little baffling why you have put this in the Labour forum, John, when it would appear that it was under a Tory government that Ezedi was granted asylum after committing a criminal offence. Perfectly legitimate question for debate but wrong place (and would be better without the weird ranting) Seems to me to be a quite reasonable place to ask such a question about the Labour Leaders policies - as you point out we already know what the Tories would do so why would you not post discussion about Labour in this section.. The whole point of the section is to discuss the Labour Party. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 20:06:12 GMT
It is a little baffling why you have put this in the Labour forum, John, when it would appear that it was under a Tory government that Ezedi was granted asylum after committing a criminal offence. Perfectly legitimate question for debate but wrong place (and would be better without the weird ranting) Seems to me to be a quite reasonable place to ask such a question about the Labour Leaders policies - as you point out we already know what the Tories would do so why would you not post discussion about Labour in this section.. The whole point of the section is to discuss the Labour Party. Of course, it couldn't have been an attempt to close down discussion, could it? My view is that Starmer seems to change his position according to the wind direction. No firm policies of any description have yet been published, so Keir, Rachel and Angela can talk on until the next election. Then there's Cooper Streeting, Miliband and Lammy who all seem to know everything about nothing and nothing about everything. I guess when their policies are published on immigration, they will not be adhered to. Few governments keep to their election manifesto which is a national scandal and an affront to democracy. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 2, 2024 23:12:51 GMT
Seems to me to be a quite reasonable place to ask such a question about the Labour Leaders policies - as you point out we already know what the Tories would do so why would you not post discussion about Labour in this section.. The whole point of the section is to discuss the Labour Party. Of course, it couldn't have been an attempt to close down discussion, could it? My view is that Starmer seems to change his position according to the wind direction. No firm policies of any description have yet been published, so Keir, Rachel and Angela can talk on until the next election. Then there's Cooper Streeting, Miliband and Lammy who all seem to know everything about nothing and nothing about everything. I guess when their policies are published on immigration, they will not be adhered to. Few governments keep to their election manifesto which is a national scandal and an affront to democracy. They are just idiot figureheads. The Cabinet Office will be running the country, much like it was under Johnson and Rishi. If you wonder who runs the Cabinet Office, well the Americans do for one. You saw what happened when Rishi decided on tax cuts. The IMF told him no. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 3, 2024 0:09:48 GMT
Of course, it couldn't have been an attempt to close down discussion, could it? My view is that Starmer seems to change his position according to the wind direction. No firm policies of any description have yet been published, so Keir, Rachel and Angela can talk on until the next election. Then there's Cooper Streeting, Miliband and Lammy who all seem to know everything about nothing and nothing about everything. I guess when their policies are published on immigration, they will not be adhered to. Few governments keep to their election manifesto which is a national scandal and an affront to democracy. They are just idiot figureheads. The Cabinet Office will be running the country, much like it was under Johnson and Rishi. If you wonder who runs the Cabinet Office, well the Americans do for one. You saw what happened when Rishi decided on tax cuts. The IMF told him no. You seem to have a warped attitude and fixation towards the USA BVL....I suppose the news anounced today has not yet reached planet zog to where your beloved chinese economy will never ever out perform that of the USA and it seems that they will not even come into the top 3 econimies across the globe... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 3, 2024 1:49:18 GMT
They are just idiot figureheads. The Cabinet Office will be running the country, much like it was under Johnson and Rishi. If you wonder who runs the Cabinet Office, well the Americans do for one. You saw what happened when Rishi decided on tax cuts. The IMF told him no. You seem to have a warped attitude and fixation towards the USA BVL....I suppose the news anounced today has not yet reached planet zog to where your beloved chinese economy will never ever out perform that of the USA and it seems that they will not even come into the top 3 econimies across the globe... There is so much shit talked about China that I hardly mange to keep up with it all. I think they are far better positioned for future growth than the UK is. The BRICS development bank has just started up now and issuing development bonds. They are building an alternative global monitory system the US has no control over. Also of note is Russia's forecast and current GDP growth. It's the Uk + Germany who are screwed. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 3, 2024 4:17:39 GMT
You seem to have a warped attitude and fixation towards the USA BVL....I suppose the news anounced today has not yet reached planet zog to where your beloved chinese economy will never ever out perform that of the USA and it seems that they will not even come into the top 3 econimies across the globe... that I hardly mange to keep up with it all. I think they are far better positioned for future growth than the UK is. The BRICS development bank has just started up now and issuing development bonds. They are building an alternative global monitory system the US has no control over. Also of note is Russia's forecast and current GDP growth. It's the Uk + Germany who are screwed. Look it uo for yourself BVL...
China's crushing debt levels, ageing population and an ongoing property crisis means it may never surpass the US to become the world's largest economy, according to a leading investment bank.
It seems the only one talking shit is you BVL.
EDIT......Try this BVL....https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/china-economy-never-overtake-us-citi-bank
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2024 12:19:10 GMT
It is a little baffling why you have put this in the Labour forum, John, when it would appear that it was under a Tory government that Ezedi was granted asylum after committing a criminal offence. Perfectly legitimate question for debate but wrong place (and would be better without the weird ranting) what a strange post. Surely we , the uk electorate , have a right to know what we are voting for in the next general election and why we should give keir starmers party our vote? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 3, 2024 12:46:04 GMT
There is so much shit talked about China that I hardly mange to keep up with it all. I think they are far better positioned for future growth than the UK is. The BRICS development bank has just started up now and issuing development bonds. They are building an alternative global monitory system the US has no control over. Also of note is Russia's forecast and current GDP growth. It's the Uk + Germany who are screwed. Look it uo for yourself BVL...
China's crushing debt levels, ageing population and an ongoing property crisis means it may never surpass the US to become the world's largest economy, according to a leading investment bank.
It seems the only one talking shit is you BVL.
EDIT......Try this BVL....https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/china-economy-never-overtake-us-citi-bank
That's just an opinion. The US dollar is propped up by oil prices, but in the future oil will not be nearly as important. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 4, 2024 16:01:31 GMT
We know 70% of asylums applications are successful, so three attempts would make it 97% likely to get in. assuming it's a role of a dice whether a claim without much merit is successful anyway - which is probably the case |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 4, 2024 16:23:01 GMT
We know 70% of asylums applications are successful, so three attempts would make it 97% likely to get in. assuming it's a role of a dice whether a claim without much merit is successful anyway - which is probably the case From the government's website. So they only reject the majority of failed cases if they have proved they are dodgy by committing a serious crime. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 6, 2024 9:08:37 GMT
It is a little baffling why you have put this in the Labour forum, John, when it would appear that it was under a Tory government that Ezedi was granted asylum after committing a criminal offence. Perfectly legitimate question for debate but wrong place (and would be better without the weird ranting) See thread title. Pillock. |
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