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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 31, 2024 12:30:32 GMT
There is much to be said on this theme, from commentators both pro and contra, but I’d like to open the batting with an aspect of the topic that is rarely mentioned: the effect on morale on the home front.
Robin Neillands in The Bomber War makes the point that bombing Germany gave great comfort to the beleaguered citizens of Britain, citing a Canadian pilot Kenneth McDonald of 78 Squadron:
What many of today’s revisionists ignore, or don’t try to recapture, is the atmosphere in Britain at that time. When we finished our tour in 1943 we were sent as a crew on a morale-raising tour around factories making Halifaxes. My job was to describe a typical op and introduce the crew members. Each time I came to Tim McCoy, the rear gunner, and told them he could see the fires burning in Germany from 50 miles as we flew home they burst into cheers. These men and women had lived through the Blitz, had lost homes and close relatives, and were still at risk from German bombs. They felt, I am sure, that here in front of them was living proof not only that their work was worthwhile, but that there was some hope hope for an end to the war – and their privations.Next up we’ll hear the views of someone on the opposing side who was in a position to know, Albert Speer.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 31, 2024 13:09:43 GMT
With respect to the efficacy of the Allied bombing campaign, opinions on this have ebbed and flowed over the years of course, but I keep returning to the words of a man who was in a position to know, Albert Speer, at the time in question Reichs Minister for Armaments Production. From the Spandau Diaries:
Much more can be cited in similar vein. As more contemporary writers who come forward with accounts detailing the experiences of everyday Germans under the bombing, such as Jörg Friedrich's Der Brand and WG Sebald's On the Natural History of Destruction, the more obvious it becomes that we can't just measure the effectiveness of the bombing through a straightforward analysis of industrial production statistics.
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Post by borchester on Jan 31, 2024 13:21:38 GMT
With respect to the efficacy of the Allied bombing campaign, opinions on this have ebbed and flowed over the years of course, but I keep returning to the words of a man who was in a position to know, Albert Speer, at the time in question Reichs Minister for Armaments Production. From the Spandau Diaries:
Much more can be cited in similar vein. As more contemporary writers who come forward with accounts detailing the experiences of everyday Germans under the bombing, such as Jörg Friedrich's Der Brand and WG Sebald's On the Natural History of Destruction, the more obvious it becomes that we can't just measure the effectiveness of the bombing through a straightforward analysis of industrial production statistics. Speer might have had a point, but it has been said that at that stage he was happy to say whatever his captors wanted him to say and which would help him escape the gallows
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 31, 2024 13:30:41 GMT
He'd already escaped. The Spandau Diaries were published in 1975.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 31, 2024 13:33:25 GMT
And Robin Neillands takes up and amplifies Speer's point in The Bomber War:
I'll pause here to allow others with perhaps opposing views and evidence to get a word in
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 3, 2024 17:16:29 GMT
There is much to be said on this theme, from commentators both pro and contra, but I’d like to open the batting with an aspect of the topic that is rarely mentioned: the effect on morale on the home front.
Robin Neillands in The Bomber War makes the point that bombing Germany gave great comfort to the beleaguered citizens of Britain, citing a Canadian pilot Kenneth McDonald of 78 Squadron:
What many of today’s revisionists ignore, or don’t try to recapture, is the atmosphere in Britain at that time. When we finished our tour in 1943 we were sent as a crew on a morale-raising tour around factories making Halifaxes. My job was to describe a typical op and introduce the crew members. Each time I came to Tim McCoy, the rear gunner, and told them he could see the fires burning in Germany from 50 miles as we flew home they burst into cheers. These men and women had lived through the Blitz, had lost homes and close relatives, and were still at risk from German bombs. They felt, I am sure, that here in front of them was living proof not only that their work was worthwhile, but that there was some hope hope for an end to the war – and their privations.Next up we’ll hear the views of someone on the opposing side who was in a position to know, Albert Speer. If my father’s notes written for the BBC and one of his grandsons were even remotely accurate, the bombed Londoner took great pleasure in seeing a german bombe crew plunge to their fiery deaths. Dad was not evacuated as his older brother was, and spent his childhood (born 1930) dodging the bombing of north london and Hainault, at the time an RAF runway and technical base. He described in his notes seeing an RAF fighter bring down one of the Dorniers Hitler sent to bomb his father’s work and how everyone around clapped, cheered and generally enjoyed watching a german aircrew plunge to their deaths assuming they were still alive after the tracer rounds did their job The thing is, i doubt many on here knows how it feels to have some bastard trying to bomb you out of existence. Red might. I do but that was the animal liberation front taking a dislike to medical research. I can definitely identify with those cheering Londoners. The morale boost must have been huge.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 3, 2024 19:28:04 GMT
There is much to be said on this theme, from commentators both pro and contra, but I’d like to open the batting with an aspect of the topic that is rarely mentioned: the effect on morale on the home front.
Robin Neillands in The Bomber War makes the point that bombing Germany gave great comfort to the beleaguered citizens of Britain, citing a Canadian pilot Kenneth McDonald of 78 Squadron:
What many of today’s revisionists ignore, or don’t try to recapture, is the atmosphere in Britain at that time. When we finished our tour in 1943 we were sent as a crew on a morale-raising tour around factories making Halifaxes. My job was to describe a typical op and introduce the crew members. Each time I came to Tim McCoy, the rear gunner, and told them he could see the fires burning in Germany from 50 miles as we flew home they burst into cheers. These men and women had lived through the Blitz, had lost homes and close relatives, and were still at risk from German bombs. They felt, I am sure, that here in front of them was living proof not only that their work was worthwhile, but that there was some hope hope for an end to the war – and their privations.Next up we’ll hear the views of someone on the opposing side who was in a position to know, Albert Speer. If my father’s notes written for the BBC and one of his grandsons were even remotely accurate, the bombed Londoner took great pleasure in seeing a german bombe crew plunge to their fiery deaths. Dad was not evacuated as his older brother was, and spent his childhood (born 1930) dodging the bombing of north london and Hainault, at the time an RAF runway and technical base. He described in his notes seeing an RAF fighter bring down one of the Dorniers Hitler sent to bomb his father’s work and how everyone around clapped, cheered and generally enjoyed watching a german aircrew plunge to their deaths assuming they were still alive after the tracer rounds did their job The thing is, i doubt many on here knows how it feels to have some bastard trying to bomb you out of existence. Red might. I do but that was the animal liberation front taking a dislike to medical research. I can definitely identify with those cheering Londoners. The morale boost must have been huge. As was the doolittle raid on Japan after pearl harbour John....It did very little damage in Japan but the morale boost it gave the citizens of the USA was enormouse...
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