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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 1, 2024 23:58:53 GMT
I don't think it's ok to obstruct traffic. I don't think it's ok to try destroying farming as a policy either. There are seven million people in France who are dependent on foodbanks. 2.1 million in our country. Get the availability of food up and the price down. Subsidy has long been policy of both the EU and the UK, so, do what is necessary to make living affordable. So you agree with their demands to stop cheap Canadian beef imports? A product made cheaper through the use of growth hormones and one championed by JRM who thinks we should allow such meat from countries such as Australia, the US and Canada to compete with our own home grown beef. Farmers in this country have already been hit hard by the loss of EU subsidies without cheap imports on top. Imports made more competitive through lower animal welfare standards. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 2, 2024 0:23:10 GMT
I don't care either way regarding Canadian beef, but the government has drawn a line and the opposition despite the Punch and Judy stuff doesn't want hormone treated beef or chlorine washed chicken. It doesn't affect me. What does matter to me is having sovereign power. With sovereign power we can negotiate with other countries and tell them no, instead of an organisation run by Commission doing everything, forcing tariffs on us, and also VAT policies we might not want. Do you want VAT on energy? Do you want VAT on food? Do you want government to be able to set an agricultural or import policy that works to reduce food poverty? That kind of thing matters. I don't want to destroy our farming industry and if they need subsidies, means test and give those who need subsidy, the subsidy they require. In the Netherlands government was buying up farms and shutting down livestock farming to reduce nitrogen and methane emissions with support from the EU. I don't think that kind of policy is helpful. I think tree planting, hedgerow replanting, I think that would be better.
All around the EU bad agricultural policy is doing damage.
And as I've said before, seven million French people are dependent on food banks. That's not good.
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 2, 2024 0:39:12 GMT
Planting hedgerows and providing wildlife corridors are covered by the country stewardship scheme already but the payments aren't attractive. This farm has hedgerows going back to Saxon times and every crop has a 4m border that is left fallow (the grass is used for fodder) but it totals just £4k in subsidies. Not a lot of compensation for a total of around 10% of the land being 'unproductive'.
There are hundreds of mature oaks in the hedges plus ash, fruit trees, hazels etc which all provide habitat and food for a large range of wildlife but no commercial value (unless the oaks are cut down for timber).
That isn't going to convince the huge farms that surround us to go to the expense of replanting their hedges and losing yield to wildlife corridors.
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 2, 2024 0:43:54 GMT
 As you can see, many of the surrounding fields are as big as the whole farm. This is the same land in the 1940's  |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 2, 2024 0:47:27 GMT
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 2, 2024 1:00:34 GMT
Some I do, some I don't. I don't agree with their methods. Holding the capital hostage like a bunch of anti-vax freedom truckers in not acceptable. It's not something I'd want to see happen here. The financial costs would be huge and it would be nothing less than extortion. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 2, 2024 7:44:18 GMT
Operation Starve Paris: French farmers begin 'indefinite' tractor siege of the capital as it's warned the city only has THREE DAYS of food, Toulouse is 'cut off' and hay bales are used to build blockades. In recent weeks there has been a slew of protests in France, a major agricultural producer, by farmers angry about incomes, red tape and environmental policies they are demanding more protection against rising production costs and for an end to green net zero policies that they say are putting them out of business - linkIt started in Holland, spread to Germany and France, and even Farmers in Scotland have been protesting. Will English and Welsh farmers join the protests? Lets hope so. So now it's OK to obstruct traffic? Where are the calls for the police to act? What about people trying to get to work or ambulances taking patients to hospital? Obviously there's a big difference between what JSO are doing and what farmers are doing. You agree with the aims of one and not the other. LOL, spot the outraged lefty. Monte, I'm sure Macron appreciates your concerns. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 2, 2024 10:35:36 GMT
So now it's OK to obstruct traffic? Where are the calls for the police to act? What about people trying to get to work or ambulances taking patients to hospital? Obviously there's a big difference between what JSO are doing and what farmers are doing. You agree with the aims of one and not the other. LOL, spot the outraged lefty. Monte, I'm sure Macron appreciates your concerns. You were quite the outraged righty when JSO were blocking roads. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 2, 2024 12:32:07 GMT
The farmers protests and JSO stopping traffic are two different things .
The former is an equivalent of a striking pickets . More akin to rail strikes .
The farmers are concerned taxes and remuneration.
JSO is a bunch of wasters stopping traffic and vandalising stuff because of what they think might happen .
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 2, 2024 15:01:01 GMT
LOL, spot the outraged lefty. Monte, I'm sure Macron appreciates your concerns. You were quite the outraged righty when JSO were blocking roads. I wasn't outraged, I was apoplectic. Those pampered, privileged, clueless, virtue signalling lefties should have got a bloody good hiding. If we 'Just Stopped Oil' as those idiots want, the country would grind to a halt and the economy would collapse, of course being clueless lefties they don't understand this. Pillocks. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 2, 2024 15:59:20 GMT
If we are to criticise Just Stop Oil etc, we should criticise the methods of Farmers who do this.
Consistency, not hypocrisy.
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 2, 2024 17:13:14 GMT
You were quite the outraged righty when JSO were blocking roads. I wasn't outraged, I was apoplectic. Those pampered, privileged, clueless, virtue signalling lefties should have got a bloody good hiding. If we 'Just Stopped Oil' as those idiots want, the country would grind to a halt and the economy would collapse, of course being clueless lefties they don't understand this. Pillocks. I suppose those farmers blocking the roads with their £250k tractors are all impoverished. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 2, 2024 17:16:05 GMT
If we are to criticise Just Stop Oil etc, we should criticise the methods of Farmers who do this. Consistency, not hypocrisy. Extortion is extortion whoever is doing it. Thatcher didn't put up with it when it was the miners trying to topple governments and she wouldn't put up with it from farmers either. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 3, 2024 11:20:32 GMT
I wasn't outraged, I was apoplectic. Those pampered, privileged, clueless, virtue signalling lefties should have got a bloody good hiding. If we 'Just Stopped Oil' as those idiots want, the country would grind to a halt and the economy would collapse, of course being clueless lefties they don't understand this. Pillocks. I suppose those farmers blocking the roads with their £250k tractors are all impoverished. Not yet. But net zero will change that. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 4, 2024 10:57:16 GMT
is there any plausible way this could have been caused by brexit? Of course The french farmers no longer have easy ways to piss us off. For the past four years we have failed to fuck their exporters to us over at our borders anything like as much as they have fucked our exporters trying to export to them That all changed last week And the french have no way to protest at us. Turning on their own is the only way left |
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