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Post by Totheleft on Jan 30, 2024 10:24:22 GMT
You call yourself a leftie, and yet, when it comes to leftie stuff like nationalising the means of production etc, the EU is wholly opposed and instead provides anarcho capitalism. And instead of providing democratic rule, it provides a Commission of unelected people (fascism) as the only people empowered to initiate legislation. Rather strange that you're so fond of it. Have the Europhiles taken you for a fool? Yes of Course Brexit has certainly done well with the power to stop. So called illegals crossing the Chanel hasn't. It vinny. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 30, 2024 10:26:48 GMT
I voted to leave the EU.
My vote had fuck all to do with immigration.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 30, 2024 10:33:06 GMT
You call yourself a leftie, and yet, when it comes to leftie stuff like nationalising the means of production etc, the EU is wholly opposed and instead provides anarcho capitalism. And instead of providing democratic rule, it provides a Commission of unelected people (fascism) as the only people empowered to initiate legislation. Rather strange that you're so fond of it. Have the Europhiles taken you for a fool? Yes of Course Brexit has certainly done well with the power to stop. So called illegals crossing the Chanel hasn't. It vinny. Not sure what you mean about EU not allowing state ownership. That was part of Corbyn 2015 manifesto . And I'm sure Blair said the same but didn't follow it though unfortunately. Suppose you can't win them all. Don't the Germans have State owned industry or have a big stake in them.. And dosent some EU government own one of our train Company's. Not sure |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 30, 2024 10:37:21 GMT
I voted to leave the EU. My vote had fuck all to do with immigration. I know that vinny but you do go out about how easy it was for FOM . Think there many Brexit backers immigration wasn't the main reason . But the post is Aimed at them it was on here what seems a lot Unfortunately. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 30, 2024 10:39:04 GMT
Have the Europhiles taken you for a fool? To be fair, I think that's how he self-identifies.  Oh the Irony 😆 |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 30, 2024 10:42:03 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jan 30, 2024 10:43:59 GMT
So the cut and paste monkey is a racist then . Who’d of thought it ? 😁
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Post by Dogburger on Jan 30, 2024 12:02:47 GMT
Lefty seems to have a problem with 10 skilled black people replacing 1000 dimwit Romanians in the immigration stakes which was what Farage was alluding to . Really have you seen the latest immigration figures it makes out the point that the Vast % of immigrants from. None EU Countries reason for visas was family reasons and most likely to take up perment residence .Compared to EU immigration who reasons was for work and are most likely to leave the Country. Put that in your pocket and smoke it . Which has nothing whatsoever to do with UKIP , Brexit or Farage . You seem confused as to what is government policy and what was said by UKIP in 2016 who were by the way not even the official leaders of the leave campaign let alone in a position to dictate immigration policy . |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 30, 2024 12:07:17 GMT
Yes of Course Brexit has certainly done well with the power to stop. So called illegals crossing the Chanel hasn't. It vinny. Not sure what you mean about EU not allowing state ownership. That was part of Corbyn 2015 manifesto . And I'm sure Blair said the same but didn't follow it though unfortunately. Suppose you can't win them all. Don't the Germans have State owned industry or have a big stake in them.. And dosent some EU government own one of our train Company's. Not sure Corbyn didn't take over as Labour leader until after Miliband's big defeat in 2015, he didn't write a manifesto until 2017. A manifesto which included LEAVING the EU. The establishment of state monopolies would have been illegal under EU law. The EU's laws mandate competition. Anarcho capitalism. Article 107: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:12008E107State monopolies are contrary to this legislation. Honestly, are you telling me you don't know what the laws of the EU are, and that you supported it blindly, without knowing their laws? SNCF has been a private company since January 2020. Deutschebahn's rail monopoly was broken up a long time ago and a number of private operators in Germany provide rail services. Did you not know about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_European_Railway_Directive_2012www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/4th-railway-package/They are building an energy union based on MARKET principles, aka Thatcherism, not socialist principles of taxpayer owned state provided service. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_policy_of_the_European_UnionSo, why exactly do you a leftie support the EU, when the EU has nothing in common with your politics? You're more of a Tony Benn / Dennis Skinner type aren't you? And they both opposed the EU. Why do you support the EU? What did you get out of being a member? |
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Post by Dogburger on Jan 30, 2024 12:11:22 GMT
I voted to leave the EU. My vote had fuck all to do with immigration. I know that vinny but you do go out about how easy it was for FOM . Think there many Brexit backers immigration wasn't the main reason . But the post is Aimed at them it was on here what seems a lot Unfortunately. I voted to leave the EU and too right it had something to do with immigration . And for the record immigration will have a bearing on who I vote for in the future and no it doesn't matter where they come from as long as it is in numbers we can cope with . |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 30, 2024 12:35:40 GMT
what have you got against black people? [br Absolutey nothing why asked me such a Silly question when you know.most of my post is Support of immigration or the Ethnic minorty Communities . You completely took it out of contexts with.the first Coloume .you know it was aimed at you Brexiters . Some who post A lot about crime by the Ethnic minority groups. And most add to it whith.there comments. While were on subject in my post about the subject i posted about the Ethnic minorities adding to the Economy you made a positive comment about it. And when Jonsky made that openly Rascist comment they should get out of here . You agreed and said that has well. Did you.let your Mask slip. Then? No - my position is clear, we have too much immigration. especially of people who have no intention of integrating into society. However, unlike you, I don't see their colour as relevant. I see no reason why any non-UK citizen should be in receipt of social housing. If they cannot support themselves they should go home. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 30, 2024 14:34:25 GMT
Not sure what you mean about EU not allowing state ownership. That was part of Corbyn 2015 manifesto . And I'm sure Blair said the same but didn't follow it though unfortunately. Suppose you can't win them all. Don't the Germans have State owned industry or have a big stake in them.. And dosent some EU government own one of our train Company's. Not sure Corbyn didn't take over as Labour leader until after Miliband's big defeat in 2015, he didn't write a manifesto until 2017. A manifesto which included LEAVING the EU. The establishment of state monopolies would have been illegal under EU law. The EU's laws mandate competition. Anarcho capitalism. Article 107: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:12008E107State monopolies are contrary to this legislation. Honestly, are you telling me you don't know what the laws of the EU are, and that you supported it blindly, without knowing their laws? SNCF has been a private company since January 2020. Deutschebahn's rail monopoly was broken up a long time ago and a number of private operators in Germany provide rail services. Did you not know about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_European_Railway_Directive_2012www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/4th-railway-package/They are building an energy union based on MARKET principles, aka Thatcherism, not socialist principles of taxpayer owned state provided service. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_policy_of_the_European_UnionSo, why exactly do you a leftie support the EU, when the EU has nothing in common with your politics? You're more of a Tony Benn / Dennis Skinner type aren't you? And they both opposed the EU. Why do you support the EU? What did you get out of being a member?
Yep, it's curious how many on the so-called "liberal left" (itself a blatant oxymoron) seem to support the EU which is essentially authoritarian right.
I suppose their underlying love of authoritarianism overrides any other consideration.
But there again, the far left and the far right have never actually been that far apart so it's no surprise if they aren't too bothered by ideology as long as the ability to rule by diktat overrides everything else.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 30, 2024 14:58:05 GMT
Yep, it's curious how many on the so-called "liberal left" (itself a blatant oxymoron) seem to support the EU which is essentially authoritarian right. No. Remaining in the EU was never a left / right issue. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 30, 2024 15:16:49 GMT
Yep, it's curious how many on the so-called "liberal left" (itself a blatant oxymoron) seem to support the EU which is essentially authoritarian right. No. Remaining in the EU was never a left / right issue. I never said it was. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 30, 2024 15:16:58 GMT
Ukip chief says Brexit will allow the UK to cut net migration to under 50,000 We must 'return to post-war normality' and make immigration a 'non-issue' He says we have 'turned our backs' on the Commonwealth in favour of EU EU membership makes it 'very difficult' for skilled migrants from India and Africa to come to the country So after Brexit 'more black black people would qualify to come in' he says He was speaking the morning after taking on Cameron in TV EU showdown See more of the latest Brexit news at www.dailymail.co.uk/brexitafter Brexit 'more black black people would qualify to come in' he says 😂😂😂😂😂 He wasn't Kidding An estimated 283,000 more people moved to the U.K. with the intention of staying 12 months or more than left the country in the year ending September 2018, according to figures from the Office for National Statistics. And let's look at it Now 7yrs after ONS now believes that net migration—the number of people immigrating minus the number emigrating—was 745,000 in the calendar year 2022, Oh right. So after i called you out earlier, by posting what Farage ACTUALLY said instead if the bullshit you SAID he said, you decided to read it and have another go I see you still can’t bring yourself to admit the full context though So for the benefit of anyone wondering In 2010 i went up to London and wandered in to tbe UK Office Of the European Parliament. A propaganda strongpoint but for those who know what they came to ask, they do give straight answers For example for a few pounds they printed me off a copy of the REAL Treaty of Rome, the one that isn’t available in english, because when it was signed by the plenipotentiaries of the six signatory countries none used English as their language. I obtained a printout of the French Microfiche copy. The distinctions between this original and the ‘consolidated’ bullshit on the EU website pretending to be what was signed in the year of my birth are stark Also provided to me at zero cost was a 2009 issue of a stats publication stating the working populations of the 27 EU Countries that year. From that document, penned by that establishment, comes the fact that the other 26 countries had almost five hundred million citizens of working age any of whom could legally walk into Calais or Ostende or any other EU port or airport, come here and ask for an NI number snd apply for a job and NO ONE could stop them. Farage was campaigning for an end to that automatic right to invade the country and control over who could legally enter I’d like to hear your objections to our having the right to refuse entry to those wanting to come here |
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